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elleng

(130,908 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:17 PM Dec 2015

General Wesley Clark: West Should Arm Ukraine.

'Retired US Army General Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, has campaigned since 2014 to convince Western governments to provide lethal aid to Ukraine to fend off Russia's occupation of 9 percent of its territory.

In a wide-ranging interview, he talked about why this hasn't happened and about Russian President Vladimir Putin's war against Ukraine and Europe, his Syrian strategy, and his overall game plan.
"We should have given defensive lethal weapons to Ukraine," he said. "If we'd given them defensive weapons, many lives could have been saved. There are major human consequences here."

Overall casualties now mount to 9,100--up from 6,200 in spring 2015--according to a United Nations report issued December 9. Russia denies direct military involvement but no one believes that. Moscow claims separatists are in charge, but NATO, Clark, and the UN have evidence to the contrary. Russia's involvement is direct and murderous.

On December 11, UN Ambassador Samantha Power, Acting Chair of the UN Security Council, bluntly stated: "Russia continues to arm, train, support, and fight alongside separatists in eastern Ukraine."

As matters stand, Clark said, Russia could invade Ukraine with a few brigades, but it won't for two reasons. The current strategy of harassment and destabilization serves Putin's overall purpose, and, second, by not overtly using military troops Putin believes he can get the Europeans to ease sanctions.' >>>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-m-francis/general-wesley-clark-west_b_8819918.html

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General Wesley Clark: West Should Arm Ukraine. (Original Post) elleng Dec 2015 OP
This veteran thinks the Ukraine/Russia spat is comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #1
I'm with you! tech3149 Dec 2015 #2
Uh Nope shadowmayor Dec 2015 #3
He forgot the narrative "the rebels are bombing their own cities" newthinking Dec 2015 #4
Sorry, Gen Clark, but no. eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #5
He tends to swing back and forth about our Endless Wars.... KoKo Dec 2015 #6

comradebillyboy

(10,147 posts)
1. This veteran thinks the Ukraine/Russia spat is
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dec 2015

a wonderful opportunity for the US to mind its own business.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
2. I'm with you!
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:51 PM
Dec 2015

As much as I respect Gen Clark I think his opinion is distorted by the cold war paranoia that affects so many of us of a similar age. It's time we stopped pissing in other peoples sandboxes and treat the rest of the world as equals not adversaries or resources.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
3. Uh Nope
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:51 AM
Dec 2015

Sorry General,

On many issues I find you to be a voice of reason. On throwing more fuel onto the Ukraine fire I couldn't disagree more. Why in the world would anybody think adding more weaponry will solve anything? Let's give peace a chance. I expect this from John Magoo er McCain, but it hurts to hear a Democrat speak of these things.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
4. He forgot the narrative "the rebels are bombing their own cities"
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:40 AM
Dec 2015

For months it has been only the cities in the east that have been fired upon. Cities and villages on the other side of conflict are not getting any serious fire. And Ukraine is not following through on the conditions. And of course the narrative we still hear is the opposite.

Let me ask this... Why would Russia be investing in a bridge costing billions to crimea and then jeopardize that by putting fuel to the fire? It makes absolutely no sense.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
6. He tends to swing back and forth about our Endless Wars....
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:49 PM
Dec 2015

And.....Its Causes. I'm thinking he's looking for a new position in the coming Administration.........on either side--whichever side wins.

He stakes himeself out as the "reasonable one" and while that may be true...this particular article paints him as a
"Cold War" Advocate. Haven't we had enough of that?


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