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[Thinkingabout]

1. You refer to 2008, problem in 2016 the candidates are not Obama, Clinton

And Edwards. Sanders can not assume the position of Obama, he is not nor will he ever be Obama. Besides this point, Obama gave the DNC keynote speech in 2004, Sanders did not give the DNC keynote speech in 2012. That would be problem Sanders can not overcome.

[daybranch]

3. Bernie sanders comes across to most of us

more authentic and trustworthy than did Obama who seemed to wait for Edwards to score points and then evolve in that direction., I would much rather have Bernie than Obama and I worked hard for Obama twice,. Many of the local workers for Obama in the past are disillusioned by his seeming gifts to big corporations and much prefer Bernie. In fact at my local democratic county party office, it is believed that 7 people organize and do all the real work. Of those 7, 5 are for Bernie, attend weekly meetings. We also have Hillary group which meets every two weeks but little is seen of their actions that I know off and certainly they are embarrassed to admit who they are, avoiding canvassing etc.

[Thinkingabout]

7. Who is most of us?

[catnhatnh]

11. On this board

over 80% of posters as proven by multiple polls.

[rhett o rick]

4. In 2008 the election was Clinton's to lose and she did. In 2016 again it's hers to lose and

once again she will lose. People are tired of her "Establishment" dirty tricks.

In 2008 Democrats chose the most progressive candidate. They will again in 2016.

[draa]

5. Obama's speech didn't tell voters about him. Most still didn't know who he was.

The only thing it did was make him more visible to the Democratic leadership. The rank and file Democratic voters, not so much.

As far as Edwards being in the race, that didn't matter either. And Edwards being from South Carolina, there's no way all of his voters moved to Obama. Just didn't happen.

Sanders isn't trying to occupy the position of Obama. That's Clinton. Not that it's bad but she's taken the position of neo-liberals. Mostly the same policies that's in place under Obama (with a few slight tweaks). That's exactly what Obama ran on in 2008/2012. I don't believe the article was very clear in laying that out.

[Thinkingabout]

6. When the 2008 primaries are used in the OP, and saying Clinton lost in that primary

It tells me Sanders is trying to step into Obama's shoes, Sanders has to run his own campaign, he has to sell his record, he has his record, he can not ride in on Obama's back.

[draa]

8. He has sold his record. Repeatedly.

He's been in politics for 40 years. His record is fine. It's more concern trolling from someone who likely doesn't want him as a candidate anyway. And as we've been told numerous times by Clinton supporters, records don't matter. If so maybe her vote for the Iraq war will be a bigger concern.

[Thinkingabout]

9. I have never discounted the records, I also have not eliminated

The times Sanders has voted for military action nor have I eliminated the five times he voted against the Brady bill.

[4now]

2. This should be posted in GD:P

[draa]

10. I seem to remember skimming this a few days back so thank you,

I wanted to read it and had forgotten where I'd seen it.