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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:24 PM Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton for President - Rolling Stone

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-for-president-20160323?page=3


It's hard not to love Bernie Sanders. He has proved to be a gifted and eloquent politician. He has articulated the raw and deep anger about the damage the big banks did to the economy and to so many people's lives. ....

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But it is not enough to be a candidate of anger. Anger is not a plan; it is not a reason to wield power; it is not a reason for hope. Anger is too narrow to motivate a majority of voters, and it does not make a case for the ability and experience to govern. ...

Hillary Clinton has an impressive command of policy, the details, trade-offs and how it gets done. It's easy to blame billionaires for everything, but quite another to know what to do about it. During his 25 years in Congress, Sanders has stuck to uncompromising ideals, but his outsider stance has not attracted supporters among the Democrats. Paul Krugman writes that the Sanders movement has a "contempt for compromise."

Every time Sanders is challenged on how he plans to get his agenda through Congress and past the special interests, he responds that the "political revolution" that sweeps him into office will somehow be the magical instrument of the monumental changes he describes. This is a vague, deeply disingenuous idea that ignores the reality of modern America. With the narrow power base and limited political alliances that Sanders had built in his years as the democratic socialist senator from Vermont, how does he possibly have a chance of fighting such entrenched power?

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I keep hearing questions surface about her honesty and trustworthiness, but where is the basis in reality or in facts? This is the lingering haze of coordinated GOP smear campaigns against the Clintons — and President Obama — all of which have come up empty, including the Benghazi/e-mail whirlwind, which after seven GOP-led congressional investigations has turned up zilch.

Battlefield experience is hard-won, and with it comes mistakes but also wisdom. Clinton's vote authorizing Bush to invade Iraq 14 years ago was a huge error, one that many made, but not one that constitutes a disqualification on some ideological purity test.

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Politics is a rough game, and has been throughout American history. Idealism and honesty are crucial qualities for me, but I also want someone with experience who knows how to fight hard. It's about social and economic justice and who gets the benefits and spoils of our society, and those who have them now are not about to let go of their share just because it's the right thing to do. And Clinton is a tough, thoroughly tested fighter.
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Hillary Clinton for President - Rolling Stone (Original Post) Bill USA Mar 2016 OP
Rolling Stone ain't what it used to be... pangaia Mar 2016 #1
Good Read ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #2
People will get angry when chapdrum Mar 2016 #8
We are no where near any of that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #11
Getting my seat early underpants Mar 2016 #3
its too predictable to bother to spend the time sitting and watching Fresh_Start Mar 2016 #5
Well, Jann, it won't happen if you declare it won't happen and refuse to join. bbgrunt Mar 2016 #4
No more drug warriors!!! jomin41 Mar 2016 #6
Sheer claptrap. chapdrum Mar 2016 #7
K&R. lunamagica Mar 2016 #9
'Hillary Clinton for President - Rolling Stone' Joe Chi Minh Mar 2016 #10
A year ago SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #12
RIGHT! "the ever-growing enemies list" ... good one! Bill USA Mar 2016 #13
Odd coming from the man who founded KPN Mar 2016 #14
What makes Hillary the best democratic candidate dschmott Mar 2016 #15
This makes sense if you do the math... dvhughes Mar 2016 #16
What a ridiculously ill-supported opinion by Rolling Stone. Are all their editors on pot now? DrBulldog Mar 2016 #17
Are the Rolling Stone editors getting access to better pot than we can get? DrBulldog Mar 2016 #18
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Good Read ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016
But it is not enough to be a candidate of anger.


Especially, when a majority of the population is no where near as angry.
 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
8. People will get angry when
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

stores like Apple close, or there's no food in the stores for weeks at a time (as happens in some other countries) - exigencies such as those aside, right - as long as people are physically comfortable, it's just more convenient and satisfying to vote for the brand name, be it Clinton or Trump.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
5. its too predictable to bother to spend the time sitting and watching
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

...of course, that doesn't stop me from going to watch 4th of July fireworks....so maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
10. 'Hillary Clinton for President - Rolling Stone'
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

That headline reads like a requiem for Hunter Thompson's Rolling Stone. He will be turning in his grave, for sure : “America...just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable”
― Hunter S. Thompson

You don't have to be made to feel uncomfortable any more.... Heck. It's just fun. eh ?

SCantiGOP

(13,866 posts)
12. A year ago
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:49 PM
Mar 2016

I was reading unanimous opinions that Matt Tiabbi and Rolling Stone were the best political reporting around.
Too bad that more than half of DU now has to trash Rolling Stone and put them on the ever-growing enemies list.
And, they still produce some of the best political investigative writing around.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
14. Odd coming from the man who founded
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

a magazine that grew out of the 1960's so-called "idealism" that characterized the anti-establishment hippie movement. Kind of sad.

It is remarkable how many "hippies" were apparently just doing the "in" thing in that era, or lost track of the principles that inspired them before they became established. More remarkable are the many (perhaps millions) who have stayed true to those values the past 50+ years despite becoming established.

May need to rethink my RS subscription.

dschmott

(44 posts)
15. What makes Hillary the best democratic candidate
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

What are her ideals and how has she demonstrated them?

How sure is any supporter that she will not sell out to Wall Street, big pharma, oil and the war machine?

Really why did she support the war in Iraq and other places?

I personally don't think the President of the United States should be someone who favors polling to reason, sacrifices principal for political gain and justifies taking money from criminal organizations because others do it.

That's just my opinion but I do have a penchant for evidence.

dvhughes

(50 posts)
16. This makes sense if you do the math...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie will need at least 60 votes in the Senate.
Hillary on the other hand, will only need to get 60 votes.


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