OUR DEMOCRATIC REGISTRATIONS HIJACKED IN PENNSYLVANIA

[kadaholo]

This is UNBELIEVABLE! After reading an article at Anonymous on the antics in Arizona, I noticed a comment attached to the article that stated there are widespread reports of voter registration manipulation in PA and NY.

See article: Anonymous Investigate Arizona Election Fraud, “Sanders Was Hacked”
Link: http://www.anonews.co/anonymous-sanders-hack/

Since I live in PA and am a Bernie supporter, I decided to confirm my registration immediately.

I checked the VotesPA website and, sure enough, voter registration information on both my husband and me is not available!!! We have been registered Democrats and voting at this location since 1987 and 1994 respectively.

This is the message that came up for both of us: "No Voter Registration information could be found for the data provided. Either search again using different data or contact your County Voter Registration Office."

Calling tomorrow and surprise (not), we are Bernie supporters!!! INCREDIBLE!!! Just coincidence in state after state???? I think not!!!

Seems like those two lapses in the firewall (both reported by the Sanders Campaign) are benefitting only one of our two Democratic candidates...

HIGHEST PRIORITY!!! PLEASE TELL EVERYONE WHO IS STILL WAITING TO VOTE IN PRIMARIES TO CHECK THEIR REGISTRATION...ESPECIALLY FRIENDS IN NY AND PA!!!

[RepubliCON-Watch]

1. The same thing is taking place in CA...

Keep contacting others about this!! This is too vital.

[kadaholo]

2. I AGREE!!!

I agree RepubliCON-Watch! This is an outrage and where is the mainstream media in covering this huge story? Signed, sealed and delivered...!!!

[jwirr]

57. IF it is the Rs doing this it is their way of getting Trump out.

I do not think they would do this to upset our primaries - they have nothing to gain.

[certainot]

95. republicans have plenty to gain. see it right below, enraged bernie supporters

think a democrat who thinks she will win the nomination is purging democrats!

and the only answer to this outrage is to not vote for hillary if she wins! there's something really trollish and republicon about all this.

maybe she thinks she's going to beat trump by such HUGE margins she can afford to dump millions of dems off the rolls, as if all the bernie voters are so stupid that they would not vote in the general if she won and would prefer 4 more years of global warming inaction and a 30 year old bob jones graduate on the supreme court.

what about if the R's thought the primary would be over by now and no one would notice their work until the primary.

[jwirr]

99. Most of us enraged Democrats are not angry about this - we

want it stopped. We have plenty of other things to be enraged about.

But I guess the Rs could be dumb enough to think this one thing is all we care about.

[certainot]

120. republicons have a long history of stealing elections and

purging voter roles and hacking EVM's and most dems think it's just CT and ignore it.

then as soon a we get a situation where clinton can be blamed the shit hits the fan.

it would be hilarious if it wasn't so troll-satisfying and dangerous.

[billhicks76]

9. And Oregon

A Democratic stronghold. Anyone see MSNBC. Clinton slighted Bernie's grandchildren. Wow.

[hopemountain]

22. i was unable to muster the strength to listen to her

how did she manage that? (!) it will come back to her.

i am also in oregon and recently checked my online registration. at first i got a screen informing me that there was no info available. i had entered my full name including my middle name which is how i am registered and is my legal signature for voting. but, the database has only first and last names - which, it turns out, is how i am listed. i screenshot my verification.

but, according to 'claudia', the woman in arizona, she checked her registration the day before the election for her polling site and everything was accurate. however, the next day, there was no registration.

[billhicks76]

30. If That's True

Guilt points toward Clinton surrogates not Repubs. They would've done it way earlier.

[hopemountain]

31. this is considered in the article

but, also, it was looked at from the perspective of trump teaparty voters working at the registration office changing the voting in a dry run before the general.

[billhicks76]

37. No Way

They would've done it earlier. This was people inspired by the current election of its true it happened that day or day before. Reeks of desperation.

[hopemountain]

38. yes, i agree. desperation and fear. nt.

[certainot]

96. don't you think hillary is going to want as many dems on the roles as possible if

she wins?

[billhicks76]

114. They Already Said They Have A Solution

To the problem they may have created no doubt. See now they can fix it since the primary is done. Im waiting to see their ingenious fix. Problem>Reaction>Solution.

[certainot]

122. there are people suggesting hillary is using republican suppression

techniques to depress the dem vote.

then the logical conclusion is she wants to tank it for trump

[CountAllVotes]

35. Register online in Oregon below:

https://secure.sos.state.or.us/orestar/vr/register.do?lang=eng&source=SOS

[Samantha]

100. I didn't see that - what was said about his grandchildren? (eom)

[OnlinePoker]

104. Here's a Breitbart article about it.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/16/hillary-clinton-attacks-bernie-sanders-adopted-grandchildren-i-actually-have-a-grandchild/

[billhicks76]

116. It Could Be Construed As An Indirect Slight

But still very low blow. Reminds me of when Bush Sr said, "So you think the Kennedy boys are something...wait till you see what my boys do." We all know what happened next.

[Liberty Belle]

13. Check and PRINT OUT RESULTS. Some places have switched a day before the election.

[CountAllVotes]

36. Info. for Calif. elections below

I just checked my status with the county registrar here in Calif. and I do show up but more info. below about the upcoming election and dates involved.

http://elections.mytimetovote.com/dates/california.html

Be sure you are registered and that will insure that you will be able to vote I should HOPE!!!

[hopemountain]

39. get a screenshot or print out record of

your verification. take it with you to the polls and if needed, to the registration office if there are any discrepancies. follow up and reporting it to your candidate's campaign office and to your state attorney is also important.

[CountAllVotes]

43. I'm a permanent absentee voter

Never had a problem voting and I'd recommend that everyone vote this way just to be sure that your vote will indeed be counted!

A screen shot is a good idea too if you feel you need it but being I get the ballot mailed to be long before the election, I'd have time to get another one if necessary.

[hopemountain]

119. i live in a mail-in ballot state

last year there was a 5 day delay for my ballot to arrive - but it did. honestly, i was born a fretter. can you tell?

[Rockyj]

49. Please spread this on social media far & wide!

If this was a GOP thing then people who support Clinton should be just as concern about their voter registration! Is there away to find this out?

[MoonchildCA]

60. I'm in California.

I check mine every few days, I'm so paranoid.

[diane in sf]

117. Yes, I registered a year and a half ago when I moved. I checked last week and had no registration.

I was able to go online and re register and just received my confirming postcard. This was in CA.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for sharing, kadaholo.

[dchill]

4. Easy to check:

https://www.pavoterservices.state.pa.us/Pages/voterregistrationstatus.aspx

I checked for my wife & I in Mercer County. Our Dem registration is current and DEMOCRATIC.

[kadaholo]

6. Great! Everyone needs to check the status of their registrations!

Great for checkin chill! Everyone needs to check the status of their registrations! So anxious to hear the explanation I am given tomorrow when I call our county voter services office!

[billhicks76]

10. Bring Your Card

[dchill]

15. Good point. Everyone, do that.

[Helen Borg]

25. Take a screenshot!

[dchill]

103. I did, thanks! That's a great tip!

[meow2u3]

102. Checked and got screenshot

I live in Northampton County, PA. My Dem registration is current, active, and DEMOCRATIC!

[Beowulf]

5. Thanks!

Just checked for my wife and myself. We're ok. This is beyond dirty politics. This is worthy of prison time.

[PADemD]

7. Which County are you in?

Please PM me if you want that to remain private.

I have checked my PA voter registration twice, a few days ago and today, and my registration is still there and correct. I printed the status both times.

Make sure you entered your information correctly. When I included my middle initial, which is on my driver's license, the result was no information found. When I entered only my first and last names, the results were correct.

[kadaholo]

11. Entered information correctly numerous times!

Thanks for checking PADemD! I've entered our information correctly numerous times and keep coming up with the same response! No information! Will divulge county after I've gotten a response from our county voter services office tomorrow morning.

[dchill]

16. Me, too - first and last only.

[maq-az]

17. AZ was case sensitive not hacked.

[bkkyosemite]

52. Link

[LiberalFighter]

87. That is odd that it don't show when you include middle.

The system there probably not set up to work right using middle name. It may not for suffix either. Neither are required fields. Their search parameters might not be set up right when they are included.

But when all of the required fields are filled out it should retrieve only one possible match.

[Pakid]

106. Mine worked fine in PA with my middle name

just checked it tonight

[MgtPA]

8. About that VotesPA search form....

Try searching with the Middle Name field blank.

[kadaholo]

12. Thanks! Most Helpful!

Thanks, MgtPA! Will give that a go!

[MgtPA]

14. Good luck!

[PADemD]

19. Why wouldn't the form include a middle name or initial?

Someone with a very common name, like Smith or Jones, should include a middle name.

[MgtPA]

42. The form includes a middle name field to search on if you wish.

The field is non-mandatory; however, there appears to be some sketchy verification code behind this field causing a Not Found response to the query when something is entered in the field. Using first name/last name/birth date only as query parameters bypasses this condition.

[LiberalFighter]

88. Not necessary when DOB and county is also required.

They have fields for middle and suffix. Both are not required. Depending on the result of the search parameters it might include additional spaces that doesn't match up. Or it could be a matter of whether the period for middle initial is used in the search.

[Sinistrous]

41. That's what I had to do to see my status (I and my wife are OK).

[elleng]

18. Hardball, Sharp elbows,

might as well be rover.

I HATE this!

[Duppers]

20. K & R

Cross-post please in GDP or GD.

This is incredible and cannot be just coincidental.

Thanks, good luck, and please keep us posted.

[Renew Deal]

27. If it's true at all

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. Did you donate, sign a log at a rally or agree to accept news from his campaign?

[dchill]

23. Yes, no, yes.

Still OK.

[fullautohotdog]

24. Make sure the NY ones...

had their registration submitted before mid-October. Otherwise you're SOL (must submit changes to party 6 months before primary -- it's to stop party raiding, which has a long history in NY and is far more likely than actual voter fraud).

[sweetloukillbot]

113. I have seen a lot of print sources saying NY registration ended on 3/25

I'd heard October as well. But the 6 months MIGHT refer to the full primary in September. Or it could be that those registering after October won't be eligible for the Presidential primary, but will be for the full primary. The news articles I read certainly implied that registration by 3/25 was good for the Presidential primary which surprised me. They did say there would be plenty of opportunities to verify status between now and April 16.

Something to look into.

[fullautohotdog]

118. Nope. October is October for ALL primaries.

New voters could register until the March deadline for the primary.

New York State Board of Elections Register to Vote Page

"The voter registration form should be used to change your party enrollment from one party to another or to enroll for the first time in a party. A change of enrollment received no later than 25 days before the general election shall be deposited in a sealed enrollment box and opened the first Tuesday following that general election and entered in the voter's registration record."

That means (I was wrong, I apologize) , if you submit your change of enrollment 24 days before the 2015 general, it gets held until a week after the 2016 general.

But you can still register to vote in the general until Oct. 14, so nobody's right to vote is being violated. Under New York law, if you're not in a party, you have no right to vote in a party primary.

I'll give them this: On the topic of party raiding, New York doesn't fuck around... my local BoE has been getting lots of requests, which they have been putting in a box to open in November. There's a lot of upset independents who are SOL because they didn't read the rules.

[Renew Deal]

26. Prove it

[LuvLoogie]

28. So THAT's how Thrillary, er... I mean Skillary uh...Hillary is 2.5 million votes ahead!!

[SCantiGOP]

46. You really believe that?

If you need help spelling the candidates name you can Google it.

[LuvLoogie]

47. No. I'm just playing along. I really didn't think I needed a sarcasm thingy,

given the Captain Queeg clip.

[SCantiGOP]

48. I haven't had enough caffeine this morning

Missed the sarcasm. Carry on.

[SammyWinstonJack]

74. It's hardly a joking matter.

[LuvLoogie]

81. Who's laughing? Paranoid reactionaries can be dangerous.

when things don't go their way.

[rhett o rick]

98. I believe that the Super Wealthy will literally do anything to push Clinton into the WH.

No trick is too low for the spoiled rich kids that think they run the country. We need to drag them into the street and shame them. And I am surprised that you, someone claiming to be a Democrat would side with these greedy bastards that have been draining the lower classes for decades. Those that adorate mammon.

[CountAllVotes]

29. CHECK THEIR REGISTRATION

This is a good idea anyway. A friend of mine recently moved to another state and doesn't seem to even KNOWN when the election, thinks it has happened already (not sure), etc.

Said person needs to CHECK THEIR REGISTRATION I would say!

In the cases you point out, this is just as important if not even more important give the inconsistencies you have noticed.

[redruddyred]

34. a quick caveat

cannot check status of mailin ballot thru normal registration search

if you are voting by mail i'd recommend calling up the clerk's office and confirming that will receive ballot

[redruddyred]

32. thanks for bringing this up

i had the same problem and am definitely not the only one

do it for democracy y'all!

[tomm2thumbs]

33. kickie, bumpie

[JimDandy]

40. Kicking for those states who've not voted yet.

Although I dislike caucuses, the 1 good thing about them was people could register on the spot at the venue.

[philly_bob]

44. Sorry, kadaholo. I checked my Pennsylvania registration and it was right. /nt

[kadaholo]

45. Thanks for checking, philly_bob!

Thanks for checking, philly_bob! That's great news! It is vital that everyone check to avoid surprises at your polling place as was experienced in Arizona!

[Babel_17]

50. It will be chaos if the process of voting isn't held in the highest regard by the establishment

It would be idiocy to think that the bind that holds us together as a peaceful people, working together, couldn't be undone. This kind of nonsense generates a bitterness that quickly escalates in intensity.

[AxionExcel]

51. k and r

This should be front page news across America.

[BlueMTexpat]

53. Everyone should check every election year to

ensure that their voter registration is up to date. Never take that for granted.

It is not necessarily some last-minute nefarious policy or plot but may be a benign attempt to keep voting records up to date. There may simply be a state requirement to re-register every so often. These requirements can differ from state to state and things may even have changed since the last Presidential election, depending on what legislation has become state law since then.

As an American who primarily resides abroad, I know that if I want to vote as an American Abroad on the federal ballot, I must re-register every election cycle as per MD (my voting residence) requirements to do so. The Americans Abroad federal ballot does not contain candidates for state offices, as I realized to my dismay in 2014, when I was unable to vote for MD Governor. So this year, I opted to vote absentee on the MD ballot since I also have residence in MD and re-registered specifically for that outcome. Candidates for federal office are also listed on the MD state ballot.

The most important thing, whichever candidate you support, is to make sure that your voter registration IS up to date AND also that you possess whatever form of ID is required, that it is current, not expired, AND have that ID with you so that you cannot be turned away from the polls for any excuse.

Eta: I should add that MD is a state where one is automatically registered to vote when one renews their MD driver's license. Because I have a valid MD driver's license, my registration was on file but until I specifically re-registered to receive the MD absentee ballot, because there was an annotation that I should receive the federal ballot only because of prior registration as a Dem Abroad.

[LiberalFighter]

89. States are interested in having clean voter registration databases.

Which means mainly removing deceased and moved out of state.

Under the NVRA, what are the circumstances under which a State can remove a person’s name from the voter registration rolls?

Section 8 permits States to remove the name of a person from the voter registration rolls upon the request of the registrant, and, if State law so provides, for mental incapacity or for criminal conviction. The Act also requires States to conduct a general voter registration list maintenance program that makes a reasonable effort to remove ineligible persons from the voter rolls by reason of the person’s death, or a change in the residence of the registrant outside of the jurisdiction, in accordance with procedures set forth in the NVRA. The list maintenance program must be uniform, nondiscriminatory and in compliance with the Voting Rights Act.
Does the NVRA contain any prohibitions on removal of persons’ names from the voter registration list?

Yes. Section 8 of the NVRA contains several restrictions on removals from the voter registration list. It prohibits removing registrants from the voter registration list solely because of the failure to vote. It also prohibits removing registrants from the registration list due to a change of address to another location within the same registrar’s jurisdiction, even if the voter has failed to notify the registrar of the move within the jurisdiction. It also places restrictions of notice and timing on removals from the voter registration list when second-hand information is received, such as returned mail, which suggests a registrant may have moved outside of the registrar’s jurisdiction.

[AzDar]

54. K & R

[Jack Rabbit]

55. I checked mine. I am registered to vote at my current address.

I just called and was told that I am still a registered Democrat.

[jwirr]

56. So we have had this happen in how many states so far?

AZ, NY, PA, please add others that you we know about. We need to figure out just how widespread this is and then do something to fix it.

And if I am not mistaken that should be a job for the Justice Department and the FBI. And they need to start with the states that have not voted yet. If this is widespread it is a real failure of our voting system.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. I just voted in a PA special election a couple weeks ago here in Philly

and there was no problem.

[ChiciB1]

59. I ANYONE Still Believes That Something Funny Isn't Going On, Then

you MUST be just fine with a DEMOCRACY that's appears to being HACKED! We have already fallen to NUMBER EIGHT compared to other Democratic countries in the world!

HOW can any GOOD CITIZEN be happy with that??? This insanity must STOP! THINGS happened when Hillary ran against OBAMA, so try doing a little THINKING about all of this. I understand having to face reality does hurt, but truth SHOULD come first.

JMHO!

[zazen]

61. how would DNC know you were a Sanders supporter from your voter reg, though?

Believe me, I tend to believe the worst and Arizona (and Florida and Ohio) stink to high heaven.

However, unless an HRC supporter within the PA state or local party had a list of Bernie donors or volunteers or something and cross-checked against party registrations, how would they know WHICH democrats to disenfranchise? Or would have access to such a list?

[revbones]

79. If it was the DNC, then they would know from the VAN database

based on where the data came from - whether it was from Bernie's campaign or Hillary's.

I'm not trying to argue that is it the case, but rather just responding to the question with a possibility.

[GoneFishin]

80. But it would explain the need to make false allegations against Bernie's campaign taking Hillary's

data while they were in fact actually copying Bernie's database.

[LiberalFighter]

90. Even if Clinton had a database of Sanders supporters...

It would require access to state voter registration database in each state and figuring how to match up the right people. It would require knowing the type of system they use. If anyone has visited the sites of other states they would also see none of them are set up the same. The underlying structure of a database is not the same from state to state. Fields are not all named the same. They don't all use the same number of characters for a field. Not all of them use a date format for dates. They don't identify voting history the same.

Not all states have party affiliation included in the registration process either.


Personally, I think the BMV is why it happens. The BMV operator fails to ask if the person wants party affiliation or the operator puts it in wrong. I believe BMV's in the states have a history of not performing this function the way they should. It doesn't help either if they update their computer system either at the license branch or online and the programmers don't have a clue about what is needed. The same goes for new State BMV directors that make the decisions.

[3c273a]

62. Me too!

I just checked and got the same message ...

No Voter Registration information could be found for the data provided.

[SheilaT]

63. I'm in New Mexico, just checked my own voter registration

on line, and it's as it should be.

A comment on middle names: A lot of us are somewhat inconsistent about using them, and that sometimes causes problems. Because my first and last name are unique (I'm currently the only person in this country with that specific combination) and while I'm reasonably fond of my middle name, I never use it or my middle initial unless absolutely required, such as in obtaining a passport.

If you have a more common first and last name, the middle name/initial becomes more important.

[LiberalFighter]

91. It depends on the state you are in.

If date of birth is not a field for search than you would be right. But that state might also provide all voters that match the search criteria. I know of only one state that has that result.

[SheilaT]

92. New Mexico just wanted my name

and date of birth. Oh, and my county. That would help a lot, especially in states with more counties.

Even with both those, in a sufficiently populous state, some names are so common that there may well be more than one voter with that name and dob.

Even more interesting, it gives my voting history back to when I first voted here in 2008.

[valerief]

64. This is what big donor money buys. Not TV ads but election fraud. nt

[drm604]

65. Mine is still good and says Democratic.

I just checked. At first I entered my full middle name and it didn't find anything. When I tried again with just my middle initial it found me. It has to exactly match the information on file. Check your voter registration card and make sure that you're entering the exact same information.

[LiveLong101]

66. Voter info not coming up

Have you tried entering just your middle initital and/or your whole middle name - this is what happened to me and I got it to come up.

[yuiyoshida]

67. K&R

Tweeted.

[allan01]

68. this is why i feel that all, repeat all primaries should be held on one day.

free advertizing , repeal of cits united and so fourth. money aint free speach. ( al gore). i also feel that vote by mail should be universal.

[RANGERMAN89]

69. Terrible!- but did you go to the rally in Pittsburgh..

I did it was great over 8,400 people.

[DebJ]

70. I checked ours a few days ago; I was there but not hubby. But the local county

people have him as registered.

[zentrum]

71. Will do!

Thanks for the head's up. I'm in one of the upcoming states.

[leftcoastmountains]

72. Thank you for posting this info.

Public needs to be informed.

[Merryland]

73. This is a link to a national "am I registered" database

http://www.canivote.org/

I just checked to make sure & I am - but I will keep checking.

[annabanana]

75. LINK to check in NY:

http://www.elections.ny.gov/

make sure the county is right!

[Bohemianwriter]

76. Start calling for lawsuits...

in all states where this is happening.

This goes specifically for Arizona since the pattern seems to start there.

[passiveporcupine]

77. I don't care what state you are in

If you haven't voted yet, CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION. It only takes a minute or two.

Mine is good, but I'm still going to check it again, as it gets nearer our primary.

[malthaussen]

78. Thanks for the heads up

I checked for my 90 year-old mother, but she's in the system.

-- Mal

[FreakinDJ]

82. Call the Attorney General's office

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

83. This, to me, is treason.

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. While I'm not saying that this didn't happen ...

it amazes me how DU was the Mecca of ObamaCare negative affects (i.e., Insured DUers experienced triple digit premium growth; uninsured DU could find affordable plans) ...

Now, DU is becoming the Mecca of disenfranchisement/electoral chicanery victims.

DU must be a special place!

[BlackM]

85. Motivation for the hacks

The hacks may have support from establishment Dems (namely DWS) and Repubs - the Repubs WANT to run against Clinton, that is who they have been laying the groundwork against with all their committee hearings (Benghazi, emails). If they had to run against Sanders they would have to run against his record, which IMO is a much tougher fight for them.

[Loki]

86. Hi Karl

[L. Coyote]

93. I confirmed mine on the third try. First you have to read the instructions carefully, it seems.

Who knew?

[ish of the hammer]

94. dirty politics... How Clinton expects to get any Sanders supporters to vote for her in

the general is beyond me. I really don't think they have thought this through.

[rhett o rick]

97. That's terrible and I hope those responsible are prosecuted. I don't want this to sound lecture-y

but one way to help avoid these or reduce the risk is to be at least a little bit involved in your local Democratic Party. Know who to grab by the ear when you see shenanigans. We need progressives verifying ballots etc.

Best of luck.

[certainot]

101. so do bernie supporters really think hillary wants to take

democratic voters off the rolls?

that's some really nutty shit, as if a majority of bernie supporters are serious about not voting for her in the general and prefer a repub scotus and 4 more years of global warming insanity?

[greymouse]

105. I think she wants them off the rolls for the current campaign

and her cohort thinks when bernie supporters discover their registrations have vanished, they will get reregistered in time to vote in the general. News flash to Camp Weathervane: they will not then vote for you if you have stolen the nomination. They will write in Bernie or vote Green to keep the Greens on the ballot.

p.s. We aren't stupid enough to think Hillary gives a sh*t about the environment when big oil etc. is waiting to stuff her pockets with money.

[certainot]

107. what a load of rw crap

why would clinton do this if she's thinking that bernie voters will have to find out and reregister and then vote for her? how would most of them find out their registrations have vanished? that's taking a big chance.

they will not then vote for you if you have stolen the nomination.

what a perfect suppression con job by the republicans - they get to do what they always do - cheat, purge voter rolls, and they get bernie supporters to think hillary would do it before they would, and then they get selfish pretend purists to waste their vote based on 25 years of hillary disinformation and hate.

anyone who's so pure and uncompromising that they can't vote for hillary in the general with global warming and scotus on the line should be living in a cave eating roots and berries, not typing on a computer made by chinese slave labor.

[greymouse]

111. they'd find out their registrations were gone when they showed up to vote for Bernie in the primary

It's "pure and uncompromising" not to vote for a habitual liar (thank God she escaped that Bosnia sniper fire), a corrupt pol who takes 1/4$ mil a speech from Wall Street but who thinks some people don't deserve $15 for hard work, who destroyed a formerly middle class/rural country like Libya and turned it into an ISIS hellhole, not to mention what she and Bill did to Haiti?

If you really think she won't sell environmental protection and any SCOTUS pick down the river depending on who pays her the most, I think the term I'm looking for is born yesterday.

[certainot]

112. the american left doesn't deserve sanders and warren and wellstone

money in politics? ha.

at a cheap $1000/hr x 15 hrs a day x 1200 rw radio stations that's about 5$BIL / year or 390MIL$/ month worth of infomercial time for 25 years the right has had FREE and unchallenged by liberals - completely ignored - to push dems to the right and beat dem candidates and ideals with an invisible political 2x4. then the left blames their candidates and don't vote. what a joke.

i'd rather have bernie but when the primary is over and if he wins, those stations will be turned on him and his supporters are showing no inclination to get his back. until the left stops ignoring the right's best weapon it's absurd to expect candidates like sanders and warren and wellstone, and unfair to them.

i can see it now- after two years of obstruction by the right and their invisible 2x4 the left will give up like they did with obama, thinking bernie lied to them and didn't care, and they stay home in the midterms.

and i'll bet more than a few of the bernie supporters who will do that are going to the 90 universities whose logos are used to keep that RW radio PSYOPS humming along.

[greymouse]

123. that post is incoherent.

You seem to think Poor Hilary is a victim of propaganda instead of looking at her terrible record. Try looking at the facts instead of listening to right wing radio and thinking they are the problem. rw radio is of no interest to me; I have never listened to it. I look at Hillary's character and record, and both stink.

[certainot]

124. thats what i'm saying- the left ignores the right's best weapon while it

kicks their internet ass, defines who is and who isn't acceptable, intimidates and enables politicians and media, and then the left lazily blames their reps for playing the games we doom them to and not sticking their necks out far enough.

the biggest political mistake in history

[SoLeftIAmRight]

115. global warming insanity?

lol - she is not the one

[certainot]

121. and trump or cruz are?

next pres is going to HAVE to start up a trillion dollar manhattan project or we're fucked.

if the left is going to keep ignoring rw radio and that 5 bil$/year GW denial infomercial on the backs of our universities, screaming all day for mobs to stop the commies from killing capitalism we have to have supermajorities to get that done, whether its clinton or bernie. and with all the successful bernie or bust trolling going on that's impossible no matter how badly trump/cruz fuck up the republicans.

[C Moon]

108. My vote was hijacked several years ago during a Gubernatorial election...

I'll be sure to check it this time around.

[BeanMusical]

109. Kick and R

[emsimon33]

110. The problem with using Rovian tactics as Hillary is doing is that we aren't Republicans

We can hold two conflicting thoughts in our heads at the same time and we are fact based. A friend of mine says that since Hillary is using the Republican dirty tricks playbook, she would probably be more successful running as a Republican. I need to think on that awhile.