Oliver Stone Makes Impassioned Plea for Sanders: 'Hillary Clinton Has Effectively Closed the Door on

[polly7]

Peace'

Stone writes that Sanders has rescued him from complete despair about our political scene.

By Oliver Stone / Huffington Post April 1, 2016

When fear becomes collective, when anger becomes collective, it’s extremely dangerous. It is overwhelming... The mass media and the military-industrial complex create a prison for us, so we continue to think, see, and act in the same way... We need the courage to express ourselves even when the majority is going in the opposite direction... because a change of direction can happen only when there is a collective awakening... Therefore, it is very important to say, ‘I am here!’ to those who share the same kind of insight. — Thich Nhat Hanh, Buddhist Monk, The Art of Power

I’ve been in deep despair these last few months about our political landscape. This quote from Thich Nhat Hanh recently elevated my spirit, and I share it with you. Because I am — we are — still here! Though it’s clear that the die is cast and that Clinton will win — that is, if you believe in numbers and materialism, but I don’t, not completely.

I enclose here (below) several recent articles, which you need to read to understand how difficult a situation we’ll be in if we continue with a harder-line version of Obama. Hillary Clinton has effectively closed the door on peace, blasting both the Palestinian peace process and the Russians in the same week. NATO is her god, the best thing the “exceptional” US has to export in this new “American Century.”

We’re going to war — either hybrid in nature to break the Russian state back to its 1990s subordination, or a hot war (which will destroy our country). Our citizens should know this, but they don’t because our media is dumbed down in its “Pravda”-like support for our “respectable,” highly aggressive government. We are being led, as C. Wright Mills said in the 1950s, by a government full of “crackpot realists: in the name of realism they’ve constructed a paranoid reality all their own.” Our media has credited Hillary Clinton with wonderful foreign policy experience, unlike Trump, without really noting the results of her power-mongering. She’s comparable to Bill Clinton’s choice of Cold War crackpot Madeleine Albright as one of the worst Secretary of States we’ve had since ... Condi Rice? Albright boasted, “If we have to use force it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”

Hillary’s record includes supporting the barbaric “contras” against the Nicaraguan people in the 1980s, supporting the NATO bombing of the former Yugoslavia, supporting the ongoing Bush-Iraq War, the ongoing Afghan mess, and as Secretary of State the destruction of the secular state of Libya, the military coup in Honduras, and the present attempt at “regime change” in Syria. Every one of these situations has resulted in more extremism, more chaos in the world, and more danger to our country. Next will be the borders of Russia, China, and Iran. Look at the viciousness of her recent AIPAC speech (don’t say you haven’t been warned). Can we really bear to watch as Clinton “takes our alliance [with Israel] to the next level”? Where is our sense of proportion? Cannot the media, at the least, call her out on this extremism? The problem, I think, is this political miasma of “correctness” that dominates American thinking (i.e. Trump is extreme, therefore Hillary is not).

This is why I’m praying still for Bernie Sanders, because he’s the only one willing, at least in the name of fiscal sanity, to cut back on our foreign interventions, bring the troops home, and with these trillions of dollars no longer wasted on malice, try to protect the “homeland” by actually rebuilding it and putting money into its people, schools, and infrastructure.

Full article: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/oliver-stone-makes-impassioned-plea-sanders-hillary-clinton-has-effectively-closed?akid=14130.44541.sqCFcU&rd=1&src=newsletter1053718&t=8

[daleanime]

1. Massive K&R.....

[rhett o rick]

2. Thank you for posting this. This is a fight for our democracy, our homes, our jobs, our retirements

our SS and Medicare, and our lives in some cases.

[montanacowboy]

3. Damn Straight

kick & rec

[ViseGrip]

4. Barry and the Boys - JFK and the Bush Clinton machine

Oliver took many hits for JFK. He did that for us. I thank him for standing up once more!

[bvf]

10. Not one of which was deserved. n/t.

[truebrit71]

12. Indeed.

[appalachiablue]

5. K&R. Good description by Oliver Stone of what's needed to get out of foreign wars

and start rebuilding the US. All for it, I say and enough is enough!

[Hiraeth]

6. He speaks for me. K&R

[Herman4747]

7. And the guy's an expert on Doors.

[Cryptoad]

8. "Hillary’s record includes supporting the barbaric “contras” against the Nicaraguan people in the 1"

Hah,,,, remind what political office Hillary was holding in 1980. ggessssszzz

[Beowulf]

22. Much of the gun running and drug traffic in the 80's

went through Mena, AR. Perhaps Stone is referring to that.

[Cryptoad]

25. more likely he has fried his brain on dope....

[DerekG]

31. That's a Vietnam veteran and human rights activist you're disparaging, my friend

If I were to choose between Oliver Stone and the Clinton Crime Family, I'd gladly opt for the former.

[Cryptoad]

41. being a nam vet dont mean squat

most of us were drafted and if u were not there U aint got nuttin to say about it either. just when I think it can't get any lower.

[Mark 750]

48. Sad

Sorry, your comment is sad, just sad.

[whathehell]

71. How sad that you have so little regard

for your service and that of others in that war, drafted or not.

[Phlem]

37. Didn't see that one coming. Under the bus with ye

Oliver Stone!

You say bad Clinton things!!!

[passiveporcupine]

26. I won't post the information here

because I have not read the book and have no idea how honest or accurate it is.

But apparently The Clinton's "may" have been involved in the contras in the 1980s, if Roger Morris, the author of the book "Partner's In Power: The Clinton's and Their America" is factual in his historical musings.

If you want more info, I will leave it up to you to check out the editorial review of his book on Barnes and Noble.

I'll only include this much of the editorial review, with a link, so you can look up more if you are so inclined.

Clinton's alleged ties to organized crime, the Iran-Contra debacle, and drug smuggling from Mena, Arkansas

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/partners-in-power-roger-morris/1110914036?ean=9780895263025#productInfoTabs

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

32. Try google, toad. worked for me.

[Cryptoad]

53. yea fisrt lady of AK running contra guns..... funny

[creatives4innovation]

33. First Lady of Arkansas

HRC was residing in the Governor's mansion in LR at the time, where Oliver North's cover-up network was maintained.

[Scootaloo]

52. Good to know that her beliefs are totally abandoned the moment she takes office

I mean, otherwise they would be meaningful.

[bvf]

9. Woo-hoo!

Cue the clueless outrage over Natural Born Killers in 3... 2... 1...

[heaven05]

11. +10000

[RiverNoord]

13. Um... I supported and still support the NATO bombing of Serb forces during the Kosovo offensive...

I don't know why Stone picked that one to add to the list, but that intervention may have completely ended the wars associated with the collapse of Yugoslavia.

It certainly saved many Kosovar lives.

Otherwise I agree.

[Duppers]

14. Same here.

Stone should have made that exception.

[SunSeeker]

19. No, the NATO bombings did not save lives, it actually accelerated ethnic cleansing.

I'm a Hillary supporter but I think what we, with Bernie's approving vote, did in the Balkans was a mistake, even if we embarked on it with the best of intentions. NATO only made things worse in that civil war.

The NATO/UN "peacekeeper" troops did NOT stop the slaughter. They just stood by and watched, like in Srebrenica, which was under UN/NATO protection at the time of that massacre.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica  The peacekeeper troops did nothing but protect other NATO personnel and NATO facilities. There were a lot of Srebrenicas in that civil war, by all sides. Kosovo Albanians killed thousands of Serbs, forcing the rest to abandon land they held for hundreds of years and flee from their ethnic homeland of Kosovo. 

The fighting finally stopped because the ethnic cleansing, put on steroids by the US/NATO bombing, was completed. There were no opposing ethnicities left to fight in the various rebel states. 

Why did we bomb the Belgrade TV station? Could it be they were showing embarrassing footage of hospitals and schools bombed by the US, with children's limbs strewn about the rubble? Ask those people if they think NATO overstepped their bounds. Amnesty International certainly thinks so; it declared the bombing of the Belgrade TV station a war crime. http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/04/amnesty_international_calls_na.html
And yet, we declared it a "legitimate target."http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/apr/24/balkans3 We did not even issue a warning so civilians could leave before bombing the building: "Amnesty International said in the statement that NATO officials confirmed that no specific warning of the attack was given, even though they knew many civilians would be in the RTS building."http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/04/amnesty_international_calls_na.html 

The scene was horrific: 

Reporters at the scene said they saw the almost decapitated body of one man dangling from the rubble, and the body of a make-up artist. Another man was trapped between two concrete blocks. Doctors amputated his legs at the site but he later died. 

The state-run news agency Tanjug said about 150 people were inside the building at the time of the attack. The minister without portfolio, Goran Matic, said that in addition to 10 dead and 18 wounded, at least 20 people were feared buried in the rubble.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/apr/24/balkans3 

It is this grotesque disregard of Serb lives that has driven Serbs into Putin's arms. Not only is that a disaster for Serbia, but it is a tremendous danger for the security of Europe and US interests.

[JDPriestly]

21. I'm with you.

[abelenkpe]

15. Whoa

That is unexpected. But good for him. Love the bit about protecting the homeland (don't like that word though) by rebuilding it, putting money into people, schools and infrastructure.

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. KnR

Hillary Clinton Has Effectively Closed the Door on Peace.

[riversedge]

29. If you believe that, then you have had way too much Sanders Kool-aid

[Phlem]

38. Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Good one!

Thanks for that.

[riversedge]

43. Anytime.

[Mark 750]

47. Hillary - Queen of CHAOS?

But, is this true?... http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/26/hillary-goes-to-war/

[Scootaloo]

54. She wanted a no-fly zone over Syria.

She actively argued to undermine her former boss - president Obama - on this notion. A no-fly zone over Syria would by necessity require at least the credible threat of shooting down violators. The nation operating most in Syrian airspace is Russia. Hillary clinton undermined Barack Obama's authority because she thought we need to shoot down Russian planes operating in Syrian airspace because... because... because... well she was never quite clear about the "because." maybe there was no "because." Maybe the because was 'just because."

She also spoke against the administration's approach toward iran, demanding ever-more onerous sanctions instead of diplomacy. While this is better than shooting people down, it's still not productive, and in fact as she was speaking after diplomacy was already underway, was actually counter-productive. it was no different than when those republican senators mailed Iran to try to threaten them with a Republican presidency.

This came on the heels of her role in destroying Libya, to no progress for Libya, or even hard-nosed realpolitik gain for the US. Another "just because?" Libya is a ruined country now, and likely will be for some time, at her urging to the president. There was no follow-through there from the US. Kill Ghaddafi and scurry off, to laugh about it later on TV.

That is on the back of her role in not just voting for the iraq war, but ardently supporting hte Bush administrations fraudulent causus belli. She stood in front of the Senate and repeated every lie from Dubya's lips, arguing for them to join her in voting for action against Iraq. Iraq is now also a ruin. or as Clinton phrased it in 2011, "a business opportunity." Just because.

it has nothing to do with sander. Kind of the other way around, actually - much of sanders' support stems from facts like these about clinton. she's a war hawk. And not just a war hawk, she's pretty dumb war hawk at that. Her foreign policy arguments have very solidly been in the wrong whether she's in or our of office. When in office, the ability to make her bad ideas into worse reality has led to millions of people dead.

She's a warmongering fool who wants power in order to grind people she doesn't like into the dirt. She's Nixon with a D next to his name.

[Renew Deal]

17. Another rich guy coming out for Bernie

[Raster]

34. You obviously forgot your SARCASM emoticon...

...seriously?

[Renew Deal]

42. Oliver Stone isn't rich?

[Raster]

44. I'm sure he's comfortable...

...certainly not Hill's Wall Street posse rich, but comfortable.

[Renew Deal]

49. I know. He's one of the rich people we like

[Scootaloo]

55. You know that having a problem with wealth inequality doesn't mean hating rich people, right?

That seeing a problem with the influence money has within our political system does not translate into hatred of the rich either, correct?

Please take your kindergarten-level right-wing jibes back to the Conservative Cave. Those people are intellectually destitute enough without Hillary supporters robbing them of their rhetorical points.

[Raster]

57. Bravo!

[Renew Deal]

58. I know but it does mean hating rich people that don't support our candidate.

[Scootaloo]

59. "I know but" is a funny way of saying "I didn't know"

[Renew Deal]

61. And yet you're the only one that said that.

The views of the Sanders camp have become obvious. We like wealthy people like Oliver Stone, Rosario Dawson, and Susan Sarandon. We despise the evil 1%ers like Katy Perry, Lena Dunham, and George Clooney.

[Scootaloo]

69. It's the first three words in your response to me.

And no one despises Katy Perry, Lena Dunham, and George Clooney.

Are you sure you're not the one who's angry here?

[whathehell]

73. No richer than Hillary

with her 100 mil.

[whathehell]

72. Yay...Let's all get down on rich people, especially the democrats.

[Renew Deal]

74. "Millionaires and Billionaires"

[whathehell]

75. What about them?

The Clinton's net worth is 100 million.

[Duval]

18. This speaks to me.

Thanks for posting!

[Katashi_itto]

20. K&R damn right

[grntuscarora]

23. Big K/R

Nt

[merrily]

24. Oliver Stone: Wall Street.

[Paladin]

79. Oliver Stone is the entitled scion of considerable Wall Street wealth.

He also made the list in a recent on-line article of the Five Worst Hollywood Directors To Work For. Evidently, he treats his casts and crews like dog shit. His political viewpoints carry absolutely no weight with me.

[merrily]

81. So is Dr. Howard Dean. Neither fact makes the film Wall Street less good or less relevant.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

82. war much

The Paladins, sometimes known as the Twelve Peers, were the foremost warriors of Charlemagne's court, according to the literary cycle known as the Matter of France. They first appear in the early chansons de geste such as The Song of Roland, where they represent Christian valour against the Saracen hordes inside Europe.

[merrily]

83. Also the lead character in a TV Western.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

84. common theme

???

[Paladin]

85. It's "Paladin" because:

1.) I'm a big Richard Boone fan; and

2.) The "Have Gun, Will Travel" aspect of it bothers the pro-gun militants, given my long-time advocacy of firearm controls.

What Charlemagne's court did with regard to the Saracen hordes doesn't enter into it. But thanks for the informed contribution to this thread.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

27. I know someone who said, "Sure, we stirred up a hornet's nest,...now we have to kill every hornet."

[swag]

28. Well. Game over, then.

[highoverheadspace]

30. Huge kick and recommend Polly.

Oliver Stone knows exactly what is going on with the US global domination agenda. He has just finished his Snowdon film and has stated he wants to help get the truth out in another doc about the Ukraine coup and civil war. We need more Oliver Stones. The man is a true patriot.

[GoLeft2004]

35. Henry A Kissinger. nt

[Uncle Joe]

36. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, polly.

[Dragonfli]

39. I couldn't have said it better myself, I really wish I could however because we need more than

one or even just a few voices to point out the inevitability of a permanent war footing that resides in such a diseased mind as it expressed itself not only during the AIPAC speech but on other occasions.

An aggressive war foreign policy stance that would combine the worst of the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive and illegal war with a "Kissinger Doctrine" of forcing coups and regime change across the globe which will be what I would call "The Clinton Doctrine" will destroy any hopes for this country to recover it's sanity and security at home, it's reputation abroad, and any notion of a peaceful world.

it's a nightmare of death, blood, shattered bodies of innocents and destruction on a scale that pains me even to visualize, let alone witness if she becomes President and has her druthers.

I hope to improve my writing skills to add sanity to the near void of silence regarding what very well could be out future.

[Phlem]

40. K&R!

Excellent find.

[Dont call me Shirley]

45. Pray, Meditate, Envision a future with Bernie as President and a Progressive Legislature.

Hilary has shown us who she is, we must believe her.

[Scootaloo]

56. Deeds, not prayer n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

86. Thanks for the addition, Scootaloo, yes ACTIONS!

[bbgrunt]

46. big k and r!

[KoKo]

50. Recommend!

[Archae]

51. This surprises me.

Oliver Stone blamed "the Jews" when he was criticized for his bullshit revisionist "history" show.

As to "JFK" mentioned above, there were two facts in that movie.
Kennedy was killed.
Jim Garrison did put Clay Shaw on trial for that killing.

The rest is 100% bullshit.

[COLGATE4]

62. Talk about 'consider the source'. nt

[Mark 750]

63. Powerful take down of the JFK movie and Oliver Stone!

Wow, you just convinced me with that powerful argument. Case closed (Philip Klass style). I GET IT.

Maybe it's a little more complicated.... http://joanmellen.com/wordpress/2015/10/20/my-investigation-of-the-garrison-investigation-new-orleans-louisiana-october-17-2015/

[Archae]

64. It doesn't say anything about what I wrote.

I said "JFK" had the two facts in it.
And the rest was pure bullshit.

Which is true.

Even Kevin Costner as Garrison, doing that climatic speech, never happened.

Some Garrison fangirl making wild charges doesn't change these facts:

"JFK" took so many liberties with the truth, it is almost entirely fiction.

Garrison FAILED.

That jury found Clay Shaw "Not Guilty," after deliberating for an hour and a half, including lunch.

All the available *CREDIBLE* evidence points to just one guy, a radical communist who hated Kennedy, and tried to murder a right-wing anti-communist former General.
Oswald also murdered a Dallas cop.

[Mark 750]

68. *CREDIBLE*

*CREDIBLE* - yes those **** makes that evidence so powerful. It's 2016 and there is so many new findings over the years; Foia requests and declassifacations.

Anyone curious or interested can read this...http://www.ctka.net/pr700-stone.html

or http://joanmellen.com/wordpress/2015/10/20/my-investigation-of-the-garrison-investigation-new-orleans-louisiana-october-17-2015/

Even the Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives didn't come to the conclusion... "just one guy, a radical communist who hated Kennedy, and tried to murder a right-wing anti-communist former General."

[Archae]

65. BTW, Phillip Klass had ths habit of showing the flying saucer kooks to be nuts.

Or con men and liars.

[Mark 750]

67. Venus or plasma

"I've found," said Klass, "that roughly 97, 98 percent of the people who report seeing UFOs are fundamentally intelligent, honest people who have seen something — usually at night, in darkness — that is unfamiliar, that they cannot explain." The rest, he said, were frauds. Wikipedia

Yes everything in the sky is Venus or plasma. The man had no credibility.

[Archae]

76. There's a forum waiting for you.

Creative Speculation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1135

[840high]

60. K/R

[HuckleB]

66. Bernie's ok, but Oliver Stone? Not so much.

[Mark 750]

70. I think you are smarter than this.

Right?

[Archae]

78. Yeah, we have this aversion to Stone.

He has a habit of saying and doing stupid things.

In the Sunday interview, Stone reportedly said U.S. public opinion was focused on the Holocaust as a result of the "Jewish domination of the media,"

Earlier this year, Stone, speaking at the at the Television Critics Association's semi-annual press tour in Pasadena said that "Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and it's been used cheaply."

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/oliver-stone-jewish-control-of-the-media-is-preventing-free-holocaust-debate-1.304108

[4dsc]

77. Till the end is our battle cry

While it's nice to see Stone expose Hillary for what she really represents we will battle her till the end.

[colsohlibgal]

80. Oliver Stone Cuts through The Smoke Screen

A large percentage of the public buys what they are being fed. Others do not but blame the "Other".

It is a long big con by the connected rich and powerful.

I encourage people to watch Mr. Stone's "Alternate Hustory Of The United States".

You will see, among other things, the frantic machinations of the "Dixiecrats" and other early Neo dems, at the 1944 Democratic Convention, to deny the sitting Vice President's renomination.

Why? Because he was Henry Wallace, an earlier version of Bernie Sanders....and at the last hour the Neo dems of the time realized FDR was highly unlikely to survive through his 4th term.

Had Wallace succeeded FDR things likely would be far different now. Or maybe not, we know what happened to JFK when he turned toward peace.