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Baobab

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Mon May 2, 2016, 02:36 AM May 2016

Clinton AGAIN (2016) trying to take credit for children's health program Clinton White House fought

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http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/?page=full

By Susan Milligan
Globe Staff / March 14, 2008

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton, who has frequently described herself on the campaign trail as playing a pivotal role in forging a children's health insurance plan, had little to do with crafting the landmark legislation or ushering it through Congress, according to several lawmakers, staffers, and healthcare advocates involved in the issue.

In campaign speeches, Clinton describes the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, as an initiative "I helped to start." Addressing Iowa voters in November, Clinton said, "in 1997, I joined forces with members of Congress and we passed the State Children's Health Insurance Program." Clinton regularly cites the number of children in each state who are covered by the program, and mothers of sick children have appeared at Clinton campaign rallies to thank her.

But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy [privately] over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."

"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."

Neera Tanden, policy director for the Clinton campaign, said that the senator had "always been pushing for SCHIP" and that the White House had opposed the 1997 Hatch-Kennedy amendment to create the program because President Clinton had made a deal with the then-GOP leadership not to back any amendments to a contentious budget bill. The SCHIP plan - which provides federal matching grants to help states' uninsured children - was to be paid for with a hefty tobacco tax, an idea many Republican and tobacco-state lawmakers opposed.

Chris Jennings, who was a Clinton healthcare adviser during her years as the wife of a president, said Clinton had been a longtime and tireless advocate for expanding children's healthcare, and Jennings was baffled by suggestions that she had not been instrumental in getting the plan approved. Jennings noted that SCHIP was indeed adopted, in a second attempt, that same year.

"She was very proactive. At every step of the way, she was always pushing" for the concept of expanding healthcare for children, Jennings said.

Tanden, the campaign official, suggested that politics were at play in the criticism of Clinton. She noted that Kennedy and others had earlier been complimentary of Clinton's role in SCHIP, but have been more critical since lawmakers started taking sides in the Democratic presidential primary.

"Obviously, some things have changed between last fall and now. Some people have endorsed other candidates," Tanden said.

Kennedy has endorsed Obama, a move that deeply upset the Clinton campaign. Hatch initially endorsed Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination, then switched to Senator John McCain of Arizona after Romney left the race. Hatch, a longtime Kennedy friend, said he didn't want to criticize Clinton, but felt that the record should be set straight about how the SCHIP program was developed.

Asked whether Clinton was exaggerating her role in creating SCHIP, Kennedy, stopped in the hallway as he was entering the chamber to vote, half-shrugged.

"Facts are stubborn things," he said, declining to criticize Clinton directly. "I think we ought to stay with the facts."

Many members of Congress said they believe Hillary Clinton has a deep and sincere commitment to children's health issues. She has sponsored numerous bills and amendments dealing with a plethora of healthcare matters.

But privately, some lawmakers and staff members are fuming over what they see as Clinton's exaggeration of her role in developing SCHIP, including her campaign ads claiming she "helped create" the program. The irritation has grown since Nov. 1, when Clinton - along with fellow senators and presidential candidates Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, and John McCain - missed a Senate vote to extend the SCHIP program, which was approved without the votes of those lawmakers.

Kennedy said he patterned the SCHIP plan on a similar program Massachusetts had approved in 1996. Kennedy's account was backed up by two Bay State healthcare advocates who met with Kennedy in Boston to discuss the possibility of taking the idea nationwide: Dr. Barry Zuckerman, director of pediatrics at Boston Medical Center, and John McDonough, then a Democratic state legislator and now the executive director of Health Care for All, a healthcare advocacy group.

Kennedy, Zuckerman said in an interview, was intrigued by the idea of using a cigarette tax to pay for children's health, but worried he would not be able to get it through Congress. "I said, 'Times have changed,' and he ran with it," Zuckerman said.

McDonough, a Democrat who has not endorsed a presidential candidate, also said it was Kennedy who developed the SCHIP idea after that meeting. "I don't recall any signs of Mrs. Clinton's engagement," McDonough said. "I'm sure she was behind the scenes, engaged in lobbying, but it is demonstrably not the case" that she was driving the effort, he said.

After meeting Zuckerman and McDonough, Kennedy sought out Hatch, and the two worked on the bill together, offering it as an amendment to a budget resolution. But President Clinton - much to the surprise and anger of Kennedy - lobbied Democratic lawmakers to oppose the Hatch-Kennedy amendment, the lawmakers and staff members said.

Gene Sperling, a former chief economic adviser in the Clinton White House, said the budget resolution never would have passed the House with the Hatch-Kennedy amendment in it. He said that both the president and his wife wanted the SCHIP program and that Hillary Clinton lobbied hard to get it included in subsequent legislation.

In fact, the SCHIP program was approved later in the year, a feat Sperling said would not have been possible without the White House negotiating with GOP leaders. And lawmakers in both parties acknowledge that administration support was needed and appreciated. But they said the effort was largely driven by Hatch, Kennedy, and others in Congress.

"It was a bipartisan bill. I don't remember the role of the White House," said Representative Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who has not endorsed a candidate in the presidential race and who was the chief Democrat on the Energy and Commerce Committee, which deals with health matters. "It did not originate at the White House."
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Addendum-

It should also be mentioned that the 1994 WTO general Agreement on Trade in Services contains several sections that act as complete BARS to public health care programs and that several major items of concern exist there, chief among them is their framing of all government provided or subsidized health care as trade barriers, market access barriers, or as undesirable "nonconforming measures" blocking "market liberalisation" - Please read the following papers.http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.405.5725

Also, please watch the following Democracy Now segment keeping in mind the fact that the US declared health insurance on its GATS schedule as a covered service. (opt-in)
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/20/a_plan_only_banksters_will_love

Also, consider the following fact, a big part of the GATS is so called economic integration of developing countries. To achieve that aim it trades jobs, basically service jobs in developed countries, for trade concessions in the developing world. It will eventually act as a huge guest worker program, allowing developing countries access to jobs in developed countries if they can win international bids by means of standardized new government procurement procedures. To put those jobs into play, large segments of the public sector are slated for privatization. (for discussions of the scope of such privatization, look at the discussion on GATS Article I:3(b) and(c)

Once this trade in services is underway, these entire service sector become world trade and thereby, WTO, not US jurisdiction, to regulate. In other words, we lose control over regulation of that service sector. And the standstill clause in GATS "Understanding on Commitments in Financial Services" may come into play.

If petitioned, then the WTO will likely roll back regulation of the service sector to its state at the date of the signing of the GATS in 1998. This would result in the loss of any challenged portions of the ACA, ads they are not "liberalisation" to health insurers. In other words, they are a new regulation, not the elimination of one.. Therefore, they are forbidden.

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Video on the pending negotiations for a plurilateral trade in services agreement and its implications for "public services"



I encourage people to learn more about the conflict between trade in services liberalisation and public services

unless they are "services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority" *WITH THIS IMPORTANT GOTCHA - its only exempt from privatization if its "supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers"

LEARN about the issue by Googling the following text:

"For the purposes of this Agreement…

(b) 'services' includes any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority;

(c) 'a service supplied in the exercise of governmental authority' means any service which is supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers.


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Clinton AGAIN (2016) trying to take credit for children's health program Clinton White House fought (Original Post) Baobab May 2016 OP
says people that dont like her. MFM008 May 2016 #1
Which is a majority of Americans. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #2
Which is why more are voting for her than they are Bernie? wyldwolf May 2016 #4
No, just partisan Democrats. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #9
No, just all American voters. She has more votes than Trump does, too. wyldwolf May 2016 #10
She does Duckhunter935 May 2016 #27
The facts disagree with this wyldwolf May 2016 #3
I think Hillary would be proud... chwaliszewski May 2016 #5
"Progressives" respond to fact checking about as well as conservatives do wyldwolf May 2016 #6
How did you feel chwaliszewski May 2016 #7
How do you feel about her whupping Bernie's ass by wider margins than 2008? wyldwolf May 2016 #8
Do you think she should bring back the military draft? chwaliszewski May 2016 #11
How do you feel about Clinton having more popular votes than Bernie AND Trump? wyldwolf May 2016 #12
That doesn't make her any less nauseating chwaliszewski May 2016 #13
It makes her less nauseating than Bernie wyldwolf May 2016 #15
We'll have to agree to disagree chwaliszewski May 2016 #18
No we won't. You're wrong. wyldwolf May 2016 #23
No, you're wrong and possibly a ****. chwaliszewski May 2016 #33
Nope I'm not wrong you are wyldwolf May 2016 #34
Actually, you're the one that's wrong chwaliszewski May 2016 #35
You're wrong about that too wyldwolf May 2016 #36
Read the Citeseer paper in my sig Baobab May 2016 #20
Factcheck is ignoring the General Agreement on Trade in Services and Trade in Services Agreement Baobab May 2016 #21
your two replies have ZERO to do with the OP's premise. ZERO. wyldwolf May 2016 #22
+1 Buzz Clik May 2016 #26
If you bone up on the policy behind all this, you'll find that Clinton WH opposed everything that Baobab May 2016 #32
This is DISINFORMATION ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #14
As far as I am concerned, anyone who believes Hillary is a moron, so there's that. djean111 May 2016 #16
Boom. thereismore May 2016 #28
Anybody who doesnt see that GATS and TiSA force the full for profit mode on Baobab May 2016 #19
Which has WHAT to do with the OP? wyldwolf May 2016 #24
Its literally a war on any giving of some valuable service to anybody who cannot afford it. Baobab May 2016 #25
Which has ZERO to do with the premise of the OP wyldwolf May 2016 #29
That is not true, it explains the real reason why Clinton WH opposed SCHIP Baobab May 2016 #30
which, of course, never happened. #bernielogic wyldwolf May 2016 #31
good grief mercuryblues May 2016 #17

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
4. Which is why more are voting for her than they are Bernie?
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:25 AM
May 2016

Bernie logic almost as funny as money math

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
3. The facts disagree with this
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:20 AM
May 2016

One of Clinton’s signature claims has come under fire from political foes, quoted by the Boston Globe, who say she doesn’t deserve credit for expanding federal health insurance for millions of children.

We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the SCHIP legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
6. "Progressives" respond to fact checking about as well as conservatives do
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:53 AM
May 2016

They don't like it much and will reply with irrelevant words.



I don't have to defend her, I just love how the facts consistently overrule Bernie logic. Pointing them out is always entertaining.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
20. Read the Citeseer paper in my sig
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

That will explain the standstill.

Also, read up on economic integration - you'll see the approved method for lowering wage costs is globalization. SCHIP is just a bridge to that.

They cant tell people about that sensitive issue because it involves replacement of millions of jobs that they consider to be overpaid.

The WTO will be "the heavy" in that. Offering Plausible deniability.

Read up on Mode Four and economic integration.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
21. Factcheck is ignoring the General Agreement on Trade in Services and Trade in Services Agreement
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

which declare war on public services, globally, one only has to Google the following text:

"For the purposes of this Agreement…

(b) 'services' includes any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority;

(c) 'a service supplied in the exercise of governmental authority' means any service which is supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers."

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
32. If you bone up on the policy behind all this, you'll find that Clinton WH opposed everything that
Mon May 2, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

conflicted with the deals they were setting up which contained (and still contain) standstill clauses which lock in privatization and prevent any de-privatization attempt explicitly.

Health insurance is a declared financial service in the GATS, its in our service schedule. So there is no ambiguity.


Subsidies - of all kinds are deprecated in GATS ideology- they claim that they are trade distorting- they distort the value of a service- thats likely why they opposed a subsidy. If you give some people a service its claimed in competition policy that people will pay less for it. If the price they can get goes down, it seems as if that's framed as a legal "taking" from insurance companies of some of the true value of their product.

Read "Reading the GATS as ideology" in "Serving Whose Interests?: The Political Economy of Trade in Services Agreements" by Jane Kelsey which is available to read on the web. Google Scholar finds it as well as most of its hundreds of references- quite a resource for learning!

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
14. This is DISINFORMATION
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:30 AM
May 2016

dredged up from 2008 and based on interviews with sleazy Republican pols such as Orrin Hatch.

Anybody who believes the OP is a moron.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
16. As far as I am concerned, anyone who believes Hillary is a moron, so there's that.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

She would be just as quick to claim she was against it, if that was politically necessary.

Example - TPP - gold standard! Traveled the world, shilling for it. Today - the TPP is not good! Because Bernie says it is not good, and I want Bernie's supporters! And other people have read it! Either she didn't understand the TPP and its ramifications, or she did, and just doesn't care and/or is working for the corporations who will profit - she is unfit. As far as my vote is concerned.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
19. Anybody who doesnt see that GATS and TiSA force the full for profit mode on
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

the whole world or who didnt see the insurance companies in the Baucus hearings demanding that any temporary government offerings like SCHIP be disbanded soon because "too attractive" or "crowd out" is AMERICAN and likely misinformed for that reason. Also, as soon as it becomes international trade standstill and rollback to 1998 kick in if the WTO is petitioned to do so, so the whole ACA - at least whatever parts the insurance industry doesnt want kick in (as ACA is a trade barrier, a market access barrier to foreign firms, GAT - Services and the "standstill" clause in the GATS Understanding on Commitments in Financial Services blocks ANY new "nonconforming measures" - see the Understanding, signed in 1998, I think.) and poof, community rating and everything else that's good vanishes, millions of jobs are globalized and crapified, and profits soar, wages fall and the race to the bottom begins. Similar wit education and dozens of other market segments. No more New Deals, too. BC gov. procurement too. Read the paper in my sig. At its core, its a global trade of jobs for markets. In the pipeline since around 1999, waiting for the disciplines on domestic regulation to get finished.

You'll see. Read Skala. (link in my sig) also read the paper on sustainable development here- note on bottom of Page 7 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016154566

Its a paper on sustainable development and trade in services.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
25. Its literally a war on any giving of some valuable service to anybody who cannot afford it.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

Which was started at the same time as Hillary's much vaunted healthcare plan, which was proposing things they already knew did not work. In short, that plan was an intentional smokescreen - an intentional diversion from GATS, which was silently being set up in Geneva- preventing affordable health care not just here but in all signatory countries. It was nothing less and remains nothing less than a war on public health care and things like SCHIP and public higher education globally. So for anybody to propose that Hillary is a friend of public health care or education is ignoring what is literally a global war on those things waged by the Clintons. I am incredulous that Americans remain largely unaware of this but its because of a media and blog campaign to embargo or blot out information that might serve to inform you. That in and of itself is a huge news story which will eventually emerge, embarrassing all of folks like you that you persisted in your wilfull blindness and assisted a cover up of what is nothing less than a massive crime against humanity. because people die, you know, when they are denied health care, no matter what ideological reason is given.. The people who organized it, whomever they are will be prosecuted. And they will go to jail for a long time. There is no statute of limitations for crimes against humanity. Think Nazi doctors. its that serious. Because its all a scam to "force" us into this global wage lowering scheme with a fake AVOIDABLE set of crises.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
30. That is not true, it explains the real reason why Clinton WH opposed SCHIP
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

which is the fact, not the cover up.

See the discussion here, from the 90s- on page 8 "A cautionary tale"

Thats the way its been since then. Even as they work to make public health care more and more impossible with more secret deals.



Which make the restrictions on public services worse. They must not offer anything which hurts the foreign corporations. thats why US corporations are moving away, so they get the special rights to sue us if we make any changes.

But its kept hushed up.

Can you see why they cover it up?

BTW, i watched the entire ACA hearings, the Baucus committee hearings in 2009, from beginning to end. So I saw the discussions about SCHIP. We are lucky it still exists. The insurance industry hates it. But its on borrowed time because of the Clinton's GATS and its progeny (in the pipeline).

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
17. good grief
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

an article using Orrin Hatch as the source. I guess I should not be surprised that someone on DU is using a flaming racist in an attempt to smear Clinton; as a way to prop up Bernie Sanders.



http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/


Other accounts at the time the legislation was passed and since give Clinton substantial credit. The pro-Republican Washington Times newspaper credited (or perhaps more accurately, blamed) Hillary Clinton for the program in a 1997 article. The paper said it had obtained documents from 1993 showing that the White House "plotted" to push a "Kids First" insurance program if Mrs. Clinton’s universal health care proposal failed.


Washington Times, Aug. 6, 1997: The plan signed into law yesterday by Mr. Clinton and pushed by the first lady is a duplicate of the 4-year-old health care task force idea, except that it is paid for by a 15-cent tax on cigarettes. One of the co-authors of the plan, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, credited Mrs. Clinton for her "invaluable help, both in the fashioning and the shaping of the program."

Years later, when Clinton was first running for the Senate, Kennedy’s aide Littlefield was still giving her credit. The New York Times quoted him as saying, ”She was a one-woman army inside the White House to get this done.” He said that when President Clinton himself was showing reluctance to back the new legislation out of fear it would upset a budget deal with Republicans, "We went to Mrs. Clinton and said, ‘You’ve got to get the president to come around on this thing,’ " and she did.

More Than Just Legislating

Moreover, Hillary Clinton took a major role in translating the new law into action. The program leaves to the states the job of setting up coverage and getting children enrolled, a task that continues to be a struggle to this day. In February 1999, after 47 states had set up SCHIP programs, the Clintons launched a drive to "Insure Kids Now." Hillary took the lead, speaking first before her husband in an East Room event at the White House.


Hillary Clinton, Feb. 23, 1999: At least half of all uninsured children are eligible for federal-state health insurance programs, but too often their parents don’t know or don’t believe they qualify. As successful, for example, as Medicaid has been, an estimated 4 million eligible children are still not enrolled.

In April that year the first lady gave a speech saying nearly 1 million children had been enrolled during the previous year, but that increasing the figure was "one of the highest priorities" of her husband’s administration. She said the president would seek $1 billion to fund a five-year "outreach" effort, with a goal of increasing enrollment to 5 million by 2000. Our conclusion: Clinton is right on this one.



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