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Baiting The Bear: NATO and Russia
By Conn Hallinan
Source: Dispatches from the Edge
May 5, 2016
Is Russia really a danger to the U.S. and its neighbors? NATO points to Russias 2008 war with Georgia and its 2014 intervention in eastern Ukraine as examples of Russian aggression.
But from Moscow, the view is very different.
In 1990, U.S. Secretary of State James Baker and German Chancellor Helmet Kohl pledged to then Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not move eastward, nor recruit former members of the East bloc military alliance, the Warsaw Pact. By 1995 NATO had enlisted Pact members Romania, Hungry, Poland, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Bulgaria, Slovakia, and signed on Montenegro this year. Georgia is currently being considered, and there is a push to bring Ukraine aboard. From Moscows perspective NATO is not only moving east, but encircling Russia.
I dont think many people understand the visceral way Russia views NATO and the European Union as an existential threat, says U.S. Admiral Mark Ferguson, commander of U.S. naval forces in Europe.
Most NATO members have no interest in starting a fight with Russia, but others sound like they think it wouldnt be a bad idea. On April 15, Witold Waszczykowski, the foreign minister of Polands rightwing government, told reporters that Russia is more dangerous than the Islamic State, because Moscow is an existential threat to Europe. The minister made his comments at a NATO conference discussing the deployment of a U.S. armored brigade on Polands eastern border.
Is Russia reneging on arms control agreements? The charge springs from the fact that Moscow has refused to consider cutting more of its nuclear weapons, is boycotting nuclear talks, deploying intermediate range nuclear missiles, and backing off a conventional weapons agreement. But again, Moscow sees all that very differently.
From Moscows point of view, the U.S. is continuing to spread its network of anti-missile systems in Europe and Asia, which the Russians see as a threat to their nuclear force (as does China). And as far as reneging goes, it was the U.S. that dumped the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, not Russia,
The U.S. is also pouring billions of dollars into modernizing its nuclear weapons. It also proposes using ICBMs to carry conventional warheads (if you see one coming, how do you know its not a nuke?), and is planning to deploy high velocity glide vehicles that will allow the U.S. to strike targets worldwide with devastating accuracy. And since NATO is beefing up its forces and marching east, why should the Russians tie themselves to a conventional weapons treaty?
But from Moscow, the view is very different.
In 1990, U.S. Secretary of State James Baker and German Chancellor Helmet Kohl pledged to then Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not move eastward, nor recruit former members of the East bloc military alliance, the Warsaw Pact. By 1995 NATO had enlisted Pact members Romania, Hungry, Poland, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Bulgaria, Slovakia, and signed on Montenegro this year. Georgia is currently being considered, and there is a push to bring Ukraine aboard. From Moscows perspective NATO is not only moving east, but encircling Russia.
I dont think many people understand the visceral way Russia views NATO and the European Union as an existential threat, says U.S. Admiral Mark Ferguson, commander of U.S. naval forces in Europe.
Most NATO members have no interest in starting a fight with Russia, but others sound like they think it wouldnt be a bad idea. On April 15, Witold Waszczykowski, the foreign minister of Polands rightwing government, told reporters that Russia is more dangerous than the Islamic State, because Moscow is an existential threat to Europe. The minister made his comments at a NATO conference discussing the deployment of a U.S. armored brigade on Polands eastern border.
Is Russia reneging on arms control agreements? The charge springs from the fact that Moscow has refused to consider cutting more of its nuclear weapons, is boycotting nuclear talks, deploying intermediate range nuclear missiles, and backing off a conventional weapons agreement. But again, Moscow sees all that very differently.
From Moscows point of view, the U.S. is continuing to spread its network of anti-missile systems in Europe and Asia, which the Russians see as a threat to their nuclear force (as does China). And as far as reneging goes, it was the U.S. that dumped the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, not Russia,
The U.S. is also pouring billions of dollars into modernizing its nuclear weapons. It also proposes using ICBMs to carry conventional warheads (if you see one coming, how do you know its not a nuke?), and is planning to deploy high velocity glide vehicles that will allow the U.S. to strike targets worldwide with devastating accuracy. And since NATO is beefing up its forces and marching east, why should the Russians tie themselves to a conventional weapons treaty?
Instead, an April 20 meeting between NATO ministers and Russia ended in profound disagreements according to alliance head Jens Stoltenberg. Russian ambassador to NATO, Alexander Grushko said that the continued deployment of armed forces on its borders makes it impossible to have a meaningful dialogue.
We are baiting the bear, not a sport that ever ends well.
We are baiting the bear, not a sport that ever ends well.
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Baiting The Bear: NATO and Russia (Original Post)
polly7
May 2016
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Purveyor
(29,876 posts)1. Good stuff. Thanks for posting Polly!
polly7
(20,582 posts)2. You're very welcome, Purveyor. nt.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)3. Seems to me like Russia is doing all the baiting
Last edited Thu May 5, 2016, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)
by holding massive military exercises near the Baltics, flying spy drones over Estonia, sending military planes to buzz ships in the Baltic Sea, illegally entering Estonian territory to arrest Raul Susi, an Estonian citizen.
Russia has always been quick to whine and complain and accuse other countries of doing what Russia itself is doing. In psychology this is called "projection."
Fuck Russia, fuck Putin and fuck Russia apologists.
polly7
(20,582 posts)4. FUCK WARMONGERS. nt.