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jg10003

(974 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:14 PM Jun 2016

Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary

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From Politico, By Yves Smith.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/wall-street-2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-213931#ixzz4AwTT7myk

This is not in support of Trump. The article, written by a highly regarded financial writer, is an analysis of why some highly educated and financially savvy progressives may vote for Trump. Rather than advocating for Trump, the article explains why many progressives are dissatisfied with Clinton.

Why do progressives reject Hillary Clinton? The highly educated, high-income, finance-literate readers of my website, Naked Capitalism, don’t just overwhelmingly favor Bernie Sanders. They also say “Hell no!” to Hillary Clinton to the degree that many say they would even vote for Donald Trump over her.

And they don’t come by these views casually. Their conclusions are the result of careful study of her record and her policy proposals. They believe the country can no longer endure the status quo that Clinton represents—one of crushing inequality, and an economy that is literally killing off the less fortunate—and any change will be better. One reader writes:

“If Clinton is the nominee 9 out of 10 friends I polled will [do one of three things]:

A. Not vote for president in November.
B. Vote for Trump.
C. Write in Bernie as a protest vote.

"We are all fifty-somethings with money and college educations. Oh, and we are all registered Democrats.”

Or as another reader puts it:

“I don’t want to vote for Trump. I want to vote for Bernie. But I have reached the point where I feel like voting for Trump against Clinton would be doing my patriotic duty. … If the only way to escape a trap is to gnaw off my leg, I’d like to think I’d have the guts to do it.”

To be sure, not all of my Sanders-supporting readers would vote for Trump. But only a minority would ever vote for Clinton, and I'd guess that a lot of them would just stay home if she were the nominee. Many of my readers tend to be very progressive, and they have been driven even further in that direction by their sophisticated understanding of the inequities of Wall Street, especially in the run-up to and the aftermath of the financial crisis, when no senior executives went to jail, the biggest banks got bigger, and Hillary paid homage to Goldman Sachs. True progressives, as opposed to the Vichy Left, recognize that the Clintons only helped these inequities along. They recognize that, both in the 1990s and now, the Clintons do not and have never represented them. They believe the most powerful move they can take to foster change is to withhold their support.

Some of them also have very reasoned arguments for Trump. Hillary is a known evil. Trump is unknown. They'd rather bet on the unknown, since it will also send a big message to Team Dem that they can no longer abuse progressives. I personally know women in the demographic that is viewed as being solidly behind Hillary—older, professional women who live in major cities—who regard Trump as an acceptable cost of getting rid of the Clintons.

Who does Naked Capitalism represent? The site, which I describe as “fearless commentary on finance, economics, politics and power,” receives 1.3 million to 1.5 million page views a month and has amassed approximately 80 million readers since its launch in 2006. Its readership is disproportionately graduate school-educated, older, male and high income. Despite the overall predominance of male readers, many of the fiercest critics of Clinton in the commentariat are women, with handles like HotFlash, Katniss Everdeen, Martha r, Portia, Bev and Pat.

What they also object to is that the larger bloc of Sanders voters has been treated with abuse and contempt by the Clinton camp, despite the fact that their positions—such as strengthening Social Security and Medicare, stronger educational funding and higher minimum wages—have for decades polled by solid majorities or, at worst, ample pluralities in the electorate at large.

By contrast, the Democratic Party in the Clinton and Obama administrations has consistently embraced and implemented policies that strip workers of economic and legal rights to benefit investors and the elite professionals that serve them. Over time, the “neoliberal” economic order—which sees only good, never bad, in the relentless untrammeling of capital and the deregulation of markets—has created an unacceptable level of economic insecurity and distress for those outside the 1 percent and the elite professionals who serve them.....




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Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary (Original Post) jg10003 Jun 2016 OP
anyone who votes for Trump is an IDIOT Skittles Jun 2016 #1
No kidding Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #7
yes Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #24
If Trump gets elected TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #28
I agree so I don't know why the contentious tone Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #45
Right? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #47
Not such a good read. stone space Jun 2016 #2
Anyone who wants to know what anyone is really going to do in November should ask Tal Vez Jun 2016 #3
Jury fail, but I learned a new word. "Trumphumping!" stone space Jun 2016 #4
The article DOES NOT advocate voting for Trump jg10003 Jun 2016 #10
she's a goddamn liar--there are zero progressives of any stripe--let alone savvy ones geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
^^^THIS^^^ SunSeeker Jun 2016 #20
Then there are no progressives at-all. Chan790 Jun 2016 #36
My my ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #48
No...you, I called a neo-liberal anti-progressive. Chan790 Jun 2016 #59
I want to vote FOR someone before my life ends lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #5
That's why you don't play chicken with your vote. Flatpicker Jun 2016 #9
I feel the same as am getting long in the tooth OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #12
I have Mexican loved ones. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #6
Why is this drivel in "Good Reads"? milestogo Jun 2016 #8
Someone should have had more respect for Democrats than to post it here.Maybe in "Bizarre Reads."nt Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #43
Absolute bullshit stopwastingmymoney Jun 2016 #11
Exactly! This OP is pure nonsense. Nitram Jun 2016 #16
if hillary has the opportunity to nominate justices, they will be conservative Doctor_J Jun 2016 #19
So it's better to elect Trump so his right-wing nominees can sail through the Senate? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #21
You mean conservative like Sotomeyer and Kagan? stopwastingmymoney Jun 2016 #22
He did provide a single name AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #13
I support Bernie all the way to the Convention, I do not see how Trump could be a acceptable ... marble falls Jun 2016 #14
"Being disatisfied with Clinton" and voting for Trump are two extremely different things. Nitram Jun 2016 #15
Yves Smith is a nutjob crank, and no progressive would consider voting for Trump. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17
I wasn't planning to, but I recced this...just for you. n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #37
Do you think that affects him in any way, shape or form? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #49
Yes, actually. Chan790 Jun 2016 #60
More Naderite bullshit. Aristus Jun 2016 #23
Tremendous post! Appropriate. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #44
Are these the same type of 'Progressives' that would make an off-color joke on race... Earth_First Jun 2016 #25
You've literally just described every Clinton supporter I know personally. Chan790 Jun 2016 #39
Those people are neither liberal or smart. Just pouty. nt WhiteTara Jun 2016 #26
To punish the part or not? HassleCat Jun 2016 #27
Smart progressives voting for a guy who thinks we'll return to the 50's??? MichiganVote Jun 2016 #29
"If the only way to escape a trap is to gnaw off my leg, I’d like to think I’d have the guts to" GoneFishin Jun 2016 #30
They are not smart... quickesst Jun 2016 #31
A severe case of the "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed" DinahMoeHum Jun 2016 #32
Self-absorbed assholes. The Sarrandon Syndrome. stopbush Jun 2016 #33
Ya know... Chan790 Jun 2016 #40
Ya know, I've been a Democrat since 1972, stopbush Jun 2016 #41
Congrats...you're old. Chan790 Jun 2016 #42
Age prejudice will get you nowhere, fast. Paladin Jun 2016 #58
I'm not prejudiced against old people... Chan790 Jun 2016 #61
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Paladin Jun 2016 #62
short memories? raging moderate Jun 2016 #34
Any names? RandySF Jun 2016 #35
the people you are referring to... quickesst Jun 2016 #38
"the smartest progressives I know will vote for Trump" struggle4progress Jun 2016 #46
They are neither smart nor progressive Tarc Jun 2016 #50
Very odd. A group that reliably voted for Hillary in the primaries were the better educated whites tonyt53 Jun 2016 #51
K&R libodem Jun 2016 #52
to vote for trump is idiocy..... chillfactor Jun 2016 #53
Yves Smith is the pen name of Susan Weber Soros exwife of George MattP Jun 2016 #54
If I remember right Frances Jun 2016 #55
It's stupid. The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #56
I think the term "progressive" has lost any clarity of meaning. Beowulf Jun 2016 #57
Politico? Night Watchman Jun 2016 #63
 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
28. If Trump gets elected
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jun 2016

none of us will be worried about the Democratic Party, we'll be worried about the country. A serial narcissist who knows nothing about picky is NOT a good alternative to the status quo. Maybe you should consider extending our civic duty beyond following a politician and actually push Democrats to embrace progressive policy.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
45. I agree so I don't know why the contentious tone
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jun 2016

My comment was that counter to what the op says, if Trump gets elected it will not make the party tack left. They will as usual miss the point and tack right to copy his success. It has been their MO. I think even one day of a Trump presidency will damage the nation beyond repair.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
4. Jury fail, but I learned a new word. "Trumphumping!"
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:29 PM
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jg10003

(974 posts)
10. The article DOES NOT advocate voting for Trump
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jun 2016

The article, written by a highly regarded financial writer, is an analysis of why some highly educated and financially savvy progressives may decide to vote for Trump. Rather than advocating for Trump, the article explains why many progressives are dissatisfied with Clinton.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. she's a goddamn liar--there are zero progressives of any stripe--let alone savvy ones
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jun 2016

that would vote for Trump.

They don't exist.

There are overprivileged, mentally unstable cranks who pretend to be progressives who may vote for him, but they're not savvy progressives, just overprivileged mentally unstable cranks.

No one who is genuinely dissatisfied with Clinton from the left would even consider voting for a racist, fascist plutocrat.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
36. Then there are no progressives at-all.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

Yesterday, there were so many of us and today, we're scarcer than unicorns.

There are no progressives of any stripe that would support Clinton either. There are overprivileged, mentally unstable cranks who pretend to be progressives who may vote for her, but they're not savvy progressives, just overprivileged mentally unstable cranks...or neo-liberal anti-progressives.

ismnotwasm

(41,952 posts)
48. My my
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

So, you are calling me an over-privileged mentally unstable crank? YOU?

That is..ironic-.. I guess is the best word.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
59. No...you, I called a neo-liberal anti-progressive.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

That's where all the Clintonite "true believers" are. You are definitely a "true believer."

The over-privileged mentally-unstable cranks are the people supporting Clinton because they don't give a shit about poor people, think we need entitlement reform, and complain constantly that their taxes are too high. They also tend to only support Democrats as far as social issues are concerned, are convinced that every legitimate criticism of Clinton is because she's a woman, are prone to histrionic overstatements like "If you're not gung-ho for Clinton, then you're supporting Trump", and deny Clinton's record and positions, even when confronted with clips and quotes of Hillary saying exactly what they're saying she isn't supporting or didn't do.

They really are mentally-unstable cranks. You, I just disagree with...well, until you implied I was an over-privileged mentally-unstable crank. Now, you can go jump in a lake.

lapfog_1

(29,189 posts)
5. I want to vote FOR someone before my life ends
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jun 2016

I'm reaching an age where that is a real concern.

If I vote for Hillary in November... it will be a vote against Trump. And that pretty much commits me to vote "for" Hillary again in 4 years (assuming she wins and runs again). I will never vote for a Republican nominee. Ever.

But I want to vote FOR someone...

If Trump wins... even with my vote for Hillary... I will probably have that chance in 4 years, or at least a hope of it.

My largest concern is Global Warming... and I don't think humanity has that many more chances to elect a leader that will do something about it (other than to approve pipelines to carry tar sands oil to refineries and frack the hell out the planet).

My worry is that Trump would do much worse in 4 years than Hillary will do in 8... and not just on Global Warming.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
9. That's why you don't play chicken with your vote.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jun 2016

"My worry is that Trump would do much worse in 4 years than Hillary will do in 8..."

That's the ONLY reason Hillary will get my vote.

I can't do the baby/bathwater thing knowing that the next generation will have to pay for my temper tantrum.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
12. I feel the same as am getting long in the tooth
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jun 2016

have been a Democrat since the 60s, worked for the Party in a leadership position for years.
I will not vote for Trump and cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary.
There may be a third party challenger who is worthy of the highest office. I hope it is Sanders.
I will always regret being unable to vote for Bobby Kennedy.
This poor country is in decline. Let us do what we can to help. At the very least we can avoid supporting the
ambitious politicians who care only for themselves and their own influence.

Judi Lynn

(160,415 posts)
43. Someone should have had more respect for Democrats than to post it here.Maybe in "Bizarre Reads."nt
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jun 2016
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
19. if hillary has the opportunity to nominate justices, they will be conservative
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jun 2016

and the senate has to confirm them anyway. so that argument is specious

SunSeeker

(51,499 posts)
21. So it's better to elect Trump so his right-wing nominees can sail through the Senate?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

Sometimes I can't believe the garbage I read on DU. June 16th can't come soon enough.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,041 posts)
22. You mean conservative like Sotomeyer and Kagan?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jun 2016

And, we don't yet know what that Senate is going to look like.

How about Bernie or Elizabeth for Majority Leader?

I'd say your argument is specious, not to mention defeatist.

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
13. He did provide a single name
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:03 AM
Jun 2016

Just "handles" that could be fictitious or Repukes. I could write an article that says "Some of the smartest conservatives I know(oxymoron) are voting for Hillary", ramble about liberal taking points about Trump, and provide absolutely to my claims.

marble falls

(56,949 posts)
14. I support Bernie all the way to the Convention, I do not see how Trump could be a acceptable ...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:37 AM
Jun 2016

as POTUS to Hillary Clinton. Especially to a so-called progressive.

If Bernie doesn't get it, this progressive will support Hillary Clinton and be very active in helping to change Congress.

Nitram

(22,755 posts)
15. "Being disatisfied with Clinton" and voting for Trump are two extremely different things.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jun 2016

No progressive would ever vote for Trump. You're talking about Republicans in progressive clothing. This is crazy talk.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. Yves Smith is a nutjob crank, and no progressive would consider voting for Trump.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

Anyone who would consider voting for Trump is some combination of being an idiot, a racist, a nutjob, or a rightwing asshole.

And it's not surprising to see the names of people who post and recommend sewage like this.

8 more days of humoring the trolls.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
60. Yes, actually.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

It seems to bother geek that I hold him in such contempt and consider him to be emblematic of the kind of thinking that is destroying the Democratic party presently.

I'm not sure why though...he's always very defensive about it. It's interesting because conversely I don't really give a fuck what he thinks about me. He, like you, and like Hillary is a dinosaur. Your kind of Democrat is coming to an end. Younger Democrats have no use for you or him or Hillary or how/what any of you thinks.

Enjoy your last hurrah with the Clinton nomination...you'll never be politically relevant again. Nobody will ever care what you think again.

Aristus

(66,260 posts)
23. More Naderite bullshit.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016

"Oh! The pain! The sheer horror of a good progressive like me voting for Trump! But I'll have no choice. No CHOICE, do you hear? Hillary Clinton has forced my hand! Forced it! It's my patriotic duty to vote for Trump." (That alone should offer you a pretty stomach-roiling sniff of that bullshit...)

"The economic inequality! That's the problem! It can only be solved by voting for Trump! I just know it!"

Jesus, what a stinking bag of Rush Limbaugh's diseased, parasite-ridden diarrhea...


Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
25. Are these the same type of 'Progressives' that would make an off-color joke on race...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:13 PM
Jun 2016

...by prefacing it with, "I'm not a racist, but..."

Or the same type of 'Progressive' that is "finance literate" by purchasing a cheaper, out of country product rather than support a US union-made product?

How about they type of 'Progressive' that is regularly engaging in social media "activism" by a click of a button?

These are not Progressives.

Hell no.

What these folks are, are individuals intelligent enough to understand politics; yet not well-heeled enough (yet) to really belong in the 'club'

These folks are dangerous to both Progressives AND Democrats in that they would sell out both in an effort of self-preservation.

They may kindly, go fu*k themselves!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
39. You've literally just described every Clinton supporter I know personally.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

Racist jokes, wealthy-but-cheap, doesn't buy American, armchair activism, and false claims of progressivism...Clintonites to a tee.

You've also left out anti-intersectional, classist, pro-business, anti-environmental protection, terrible fashion sense, self-righteous, full of
shit, and convinced of their own brilliance but yet can't explain very basic concepts of economics or political theory...but still convinced they're the only ones with a viable "Democratic" agenda. (...but by their positions and actions they belie that they're not Democrats.)

I'll let that stand on its own merits.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
27. To punish the part or not?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jun 2016

That is the question. Many Democrats have been threatening to vote for the Republican if our party did not pay more attention to progressive ideals. There is still plenty of time to decide. November is three months away, and we haven't even seen how badly our party will pander to the right during the convention, so we should suspend judgment on this for a while.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
29. Smart progressives voting for a guy who thinks we'll return to the 50's???
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

Sure. Makes perfect sense. In an Alzheimer's ward.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
30. "If the only way to escape a trap is to gnaw off my leg, I’d like to think I’d have the guts to"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

Bingo.

Maybe some of you find it oddly comforting to be stuck in the trap. Or, maybe you just aren't hungry enough yet. Maybe you need another 4 or 8 years.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
31. They are not smart...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jun 2016

... they are dumber than trump supporters, and they are not Progressive Democrats in any way, shape, or form. The very fact that they are even entertaining voting for trump proves it.

DinahMoeHum

(21,766 posts)
32. A severe case of the "Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jun 2016

syndrome at work here.

What a bunch of selfish assholes. If, heaven forbid, Trumpty Dumpty makes it to the Whiote House, it won't effect them. But it will effect the rest of us.

stopbush

(24,388 posts)
33. Self-absorbed assholes. The Sarrandon Syndrome.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

Assholes who have the resources to ride out the Trump storm while those less fortunate face the full brunt of what a Trump presidency would mean.

Assholes.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
40. Ya know...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jun 2016

you could have avoided all this by spiking Clinton's candidacy months ago.

Nobody made you support the RW poser pretending to be a Democrat.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
42. Congrats...you're old.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

I wasn't even born in 1972. But you were and that means:

a.) You're old.

b.) You're the kind of anti-progressive that allowed us to lose the nation to Reagan and Bushes by doing nothing as they led the nation astray, then stood by as center-rightists like Al From and Bill Clinton took over the Democratic party. Good fucking job!! Christ, you all act like being idiot sellouts is some sort of badge of honor.

You're clearly no Democrat either...though you certainly think you are.

Paladin

(28,241 posts)
58. Age prejudice will get you nowhere, fast.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

And I know damn well I'm a Democrat; you've clearly got some essential learning ahead of you. Have fun.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
61. I'm not prejudiced against old people...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jun 2016

but making citations to what you've been doing since 1972 doesn't mean fuck-all except that you've been alive for a long time.

It certainly isn't a basis for any argument of intelligence or useful experience...if it was, older-than-dinosaur-shit Senate Republicans wouldn't be so wrong-headed and stupid...and Hillary would be a much better candidate than she is.

I'm done with political schooling, thanks. After I got my MA, I decided I have no desire to teach and thus don't need a Ph.D.

Paladin

(28,241 posts)
62. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jun 2016

Wise statement; you may feel free to ignore it, since a really old fucker, George Santayana, came up with it.

raging moderate

(4,291 posts)
34. short memories?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jun 2016

I love Bernie Sanders. I have contributed to his campaign, and I have voted for him in my state's primary. If Trump gets more votes, he and all of the right-wing nut-jobs will assume that he is God's Anointed and that they should immediately lose all restraint in implementing their selfish, stupid ideas. If Clinton gets more votes, then at least we will have a chance to avoid a catastrophe, and people in the White House who will at least listen to us. Also, in Congress, probably we will have Democrats gaining power, and they are intelligent enough to at least try to do what is needed to keep the nation and the world functioning. If Bernie Sanders and we, his followers, can be seen to have helped in this struggle, that will increase his influence in Washington and elsewhere. It may seem as though that has not happened much this last time, but we need to remember just how far down the country was falling (stock market crash, all-out war in Iraq to increase oil profits, New Orleans flooding with no effective government rescue efforts, Fox News takeover of airwaves, etc.). We need to help our country; this is an emergency.

struggle4progress

(118,199 posts)
46. "the smartest progressives I know will vote for Trump"
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jun 2016

No, "the smartest progressives" won't vote for Trump

A person would have to be a complete nitwit not to notice Trump's constant pandering to bigots and his continuing suggestions of political violence

I don't know whether nonsense like this is a deliberate Trojan horse strategy from the rightwing, hoping to split the Ds this fall -- or whether there really are self-righteous idiots among progressives, who think that electing a blowhard demagogue offers us better longterm prospects than electing someone with significant experience and the useful ability to compromise

If it's a deliberate Trojan horse strategy, it's best ignored

If there really are many self-righteous idiots among progressives, who would support Trump over Clinton so they can take some smug moronic pride in not supporting Clinton, we had better educate our side about the fatal split in the left that doomed the Weimar Republic



Tarc

(10,472 posts)
50. They are neither smart nor progressive
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jun 2016

If I walk into a store and go "hmm, they don't have my favorite brand of beer", I don't conclude "well that sucks, guess I'll have to drink bleach."

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
51. Very odd. A group that reliably voted for Hillary in the primaries were the better educated whites
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

Sounds like somebody thinks they are smarter than everybody else.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
54. Yves Smith is the pen name of Susan Weber Soros exwife of George
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

Im sure the hard working people in her circle could fly overseas once abortion is outlawed

Frances

(8,540 posts)
55. If I remember right
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

This kind of thinking was very helpful Ito hitler in his early career
The movie judgment at Nuremberg has a judge saying that his highly intelligent friends thought they could control hitler when hitler gained power
I don't think anyone would be able to control trump including trump himself

Beowulf

(761 posts)
57. I think the term "progressive" has lost any clarity of meaning.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

Back in the mid-80's/early 90's the last thing the DLCers wanted to be called was progressive and liberal. Now that same crowd wants everyone to know they're progressive and liberal.

Since this thread like so many is overly reductionist, I'll offer this reductionist view of the electorate.

Only the irrationally angry and insane would vote for Trump.

Only the cynical and defeatist would vote for Clinton.

I'll save you some typing - you can't wait for the 16th.

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