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47of74

(18,470 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:37 PM Jun 2016

Why It's Time to Repeal the Second Amendment

Constitutional law professor David Cohen had this in Rolling Stone today.

I teach the Constitution for a living. I revere the document when it is used to further social justice and make our country a more inclusive one. I admire the Founders for establishing a representative democracy that has survived for over two centuries.

In the face of yet another mass shooting, now is the time to acknowledge a profound but obvious truth – the Second Amendment is wrong for this country and needs to be jettisoned. We can do that through a Constitutional amendment. It's been done before (when the Twenty-First Amendment repealed prohibition in the Eighteenth), and it must be done now.

The Second Amendment needs to be repealed because it is outdated, a threat to liberty and a suicide pact. When the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, there were no weapons remotely like the AR-15 assault rifle and many of the advances of modern weaponry were long from being invented or popularized.

Sure, the Founders knew that the world evolved and that technology changed, but the weapons of today that are easily accessible are vastly different than anything that existed in 1791. When the Second Amendment was written, the Founders didn't have to weigh the risks of one man killing 49 and injuring 53 all by himself. Now we do, and the risk-benefit analysis of 1791 is flatly irrelevant to the risk-benefit analysis of today.
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Why It's Time to Repeal the Second Amendment (Original Post) 47of74 Jun 2016 OP
We have the most powerful and technologically advanced army in the world. onehandle Jun 2016 #1
It's the wording that is the main problem. Kablooie Jun 2016 #2
Be a good idea, but implementing is nearly impossible. TexasProgresive Jun 2016 #3
Get a decent Supreme Court and a lot of gun restrictions could pass muster. Hoyt Jun 2016 #4
+ struggle4progress Jun 2016 #15
At Least Intent And Context Should Be Grasped colsohlibgal Jun 2016 #5
Pass a law spelling out exactly what "A well regulated militia" is. Doc_Technical Jun 2016 #6
Good idea, but I think it has to be an amendment replacing the second 47of74 Jun 2016 #8
And once repealed... krispos42 Jun 2016 #7
If we can pass a repeal, we can pass another to ban/confiscate guns. It can't happen soon enough! LonePirate Jun 2016 #9
So then the NRA is correct that you're "coming for our guns" krispos42 Jun 2016 #10
Absolutely! We need to take every last one of them. Fuck the NRA terrorists! LonePirate Jun 2016 #11
Not sure if serious... krispos42 Jun 2016 #12
For the record Doc_Technical Jun 2016 #16
Who is "we"? Will you be kicking down doors? Marengo Jun 2016 #18
Turn them all in... mwrguy Jun 2016 #13
So says the apologist for medieval mythology. Marengo Jun 2016 #19
If it was up to me 47of74 Jun 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #17
How will you handle all the state constitutions hack89 Jun 2016 #20
I'm guessing Prof. Cohen thought of that... 47of74 Jun 2016 #21
Perhaps hack89 Jun 2016 #22
Yeah I know it's not going to happen right now... 47of74 Jun 2016 #23

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. We have the most powerful and technologically advanced army in the world.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jun 2016

King George has been managed. Gun nuts need not apply to defend shit.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
2. It's the wording that is the main problem.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jun 2016

It refers to state's official militias being equipped not everyday citizens.
but since it's written in two clauses the NRA chooses to ignore the first clause.

Though nowadays just eliminating it wouldn't be a bad idea.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. Be a good idea, but implementing is nearly impossible.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jun 2016

We couldn't get the ERA passed- How do you think we could get an amendment negating the 2nd of the Bill of Rights?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Get a decent Supreme Court and a lot of gun restrictions could pass muster.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jun 2016

Even Tony Scalia only wrote in reference to guns in a home. I think we could restrict number, types, sales, toting, ammo, etc., to the point gun sales would pretty much dry up. It's a long process where biggest benefits won't be seen for decades.

I'm sure our resident gun "progressives" would go underground, but root them out. They are a threat to society, directly or indirectly.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
5. At Least Intent And Context Should Be Grasped
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

We have been bullied and cowed by the NRA and the gun manufacturers. They pick and choose parts of the Amendment and ignore the fact it was written a long, long time ago when we had no standing military.

We must reclaim the narrative. People should still be able to buy guns if they pass muster. By guns that does not mean military assault type weapons.

Australia had a horrific mass shooting maybe 15 years ago now....they freaking did something about it. They have had zero mass spree shootings since.

We must work diligently to discredit and shame the NRA and their allies.....they have so much blood on their hands, they are evil personified.

Doc_Technical

(3,526 posts)
6. Pass a law spelling out exactly what "A well regulated militia" is.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jun 2016

Insist that all semi automatic weapons are to be use only
by authorized militias.
All militia semi auto weapons are to be kept in a secure armory.
Weapons can only removed from the armory in a declared
emergency or for official training.
This Federal law will overrule all State laws regarding militias.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
8. Good idea, but I think it has to be an amendment replacing the second
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jun 2016

Laws can be overturned or overruled by the courts. An amendment is the way to go. And I think the government must have the right to restrict those who have proven through word or deed that they cannot be trusted with firearms.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
7. And once repealed...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

... you start going for people's guns.

Or is your plan to repeal without changing anything?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
10. So then the NRA is correct that you're "coming for our guns"
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jun 2016

Which means it's not a "talking point" or tinfoil hat paranoia, is it?

Doc_Technical

(3,526 posts)
16. For the record
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jun 2016

I only want to end civilian possession of semi auto firearms.
I have no problem with civilians possession revolvers, and
bolt action, lever action, and slide action long guns.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
14. If it was up to me
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jun 2016

There'd be a replacement amendment that says that people have the right to possess firearms unless;

A) They've shown they cannot be trusted to handle them responsibly.
B) They are "assault" weapons that have only one purpose: to mutilate the human body.

And that the Government has the right to regulate the possession of weapons, that people have the right to prohibit people from their property if armed, and that the right of people to not be deprived of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is more important than firearms.

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hack89

(39,171 posts)
20. How will you handle all the state constitutions
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016

That protect the right to keep and bear arms. Without a federal 2A you have made them more influential.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
21. I'm guessing Prof. Cohen thought of that...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

...and would think that it wouldn't just be a wholesale repeal of the 2A but a replacement of it which asserts Federal supremacy on the issue.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
23. Yeah I know it's not going to happen right now...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

...since the Republicans in Congress can barely be bothered to even acknowledge these things and don't do jack shit about the problem and about 1/2 the country screams bloody murder if they even think a politician is thinking about the least little restriction on the almighty gun.

That's why we have to work to change the cultural, legal, and political realities to make it possible for the day to come that we can at least seriously consider making changes to the 2A. The cultural would be the most important part since it would affect the other two parts.

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