The latest obvious lie RT has been caught spreading

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http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-nadiya-savchenko-advocates-amnesty-for-donbas-separatists/

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1. stopfake is a Ukraine propaganda organ

Are you aware that Savchenko was volunteered to the infamous Aidar Batallion (Neo-Nazi batallion that HRW called out for war crimes). She is not some nice "patriot". It is likely indeed she did kill journalists.
She joined the worse of several Neo-Nazi "volunteer" batallions (Aidar)

Aidar Batallion :
Wikipedia:

Aidar Battalion was a Territorial Defense Battalion of Ukraine, a volunteer military detachment of Ukraine's Ministry of Defense. The battalion took part in the war in Eastern Ukraine, and had roughly 400 members. The unit was known for links to the far-right.[3][4]

Allegations of human rights violations and war crimes

In July 2014, Russia began a criminal investigation of Aidar's commander, Serhiy Melnychuk, for "organizing the killing of civilians".[19] Its volunteer pilot, Nadiya Savchenko, was captured by pro-Russian separatists near Luhansk, transported to Russia and charged with killing two Russian journalists.[20][21]

On 8 September 2014 Amnesty International claimed that the Battalion had committed war crimes, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions.[16]

On 24 December 2014, Amnesty International reported that the unit was blocking humanitarian aid from Ukraine reaching the population of the separatist-controlled areas. Over half the population in these areas depend on food aid. According to Amnesty International, the Aidar, Donbass and Dnipro-1 battalions say they are blocking the aid because they "believe food and clothing are ending up in the wrong hands and may be sold instead of being given as humanitarian aid."[22] Denis Krivosheev, acting Director of Europe and Central Asia for Amnesty International, stated that "Using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is a war crime".[23]

In April 2015, the Ukrainian government appointed Governor of Luhansk Hennadiy Moskal stated that Aidar battalion was "terrorizing the region" and asked Ukrainian Defense Ministry to rein in its members after a series of thefts, including ambulances and the takeover of a bread factory.[24]

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2. And RT is a Russian propaganda organ

Both should be considered suspect... but the Russians are more likely to lie.

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4. Why are Russians more likely to lie? Because you have been told so?

Quite frankly, while I do not use RT as a primary source, in general their liberal hosted programing is more accurate and less full of lies than our mass media.

Maybe others should stop using our mass media because they lie too? No, use common sense and verify and find other trusted investigative sources to balance things out.

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3. How did she get in Russia's

Custody if they are not part of the conflict?

Was she on "vacation"?

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5. Personally I doubt she was on Russian territory. More likely she was "extradited" across

across the line. when she was captured by Novorussia forces. Russia can't openly extradite extra judicially (like we do).
It was not a good move. But the Russian public was very upset: They were popular journalists, and Russia and NR knew that she would never be tried in Ukraine for killing them. So they likely misrepresented it in hopes it would not be questioned.

That Ukraine (and our press) have managed to turn such a nasty character into a "Hero" is a testimony to how much our own media and government lie and how effective the war narratives are on our unsuspecting public..

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6. Russia was in East Ukraine

And took her across the border and jailed her. It did not look good but it was true they did it. Just like for three years they have not been sending heavy arms and munitions across that international border. How are the so called rebels been able to launch artillery and mortar attacks for these several years.

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7. I know what the narrative says. Russia likely had spec ops

training and advising (as we also did and do) but I did a lot of checking on all the pics etc and all the ones (supposed pics of actual armies) in our media were discredited. Most of them having come from Ukrainian government propaganda.
The only report that came "close" was by the Telegraph when they claimed to have seen some Russian trucks go through a fence. But even that report was not what it was made out to be, as they were entering the border DMZ and likely patrolling the border (not to mention no pictures).

For all the claims of fabrication Ukraine consistently created fabrications and the press almost always ran with them.

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8. Lol, ok

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9. Oh, and the story was that Ukraine was fighting Russia, not that it was a proxy war

Russia probably did give some aid to NR, just as we were doing (and do all over the world when it is in out interests.

Everything turns on the change in government. If it wasn't a coup then everything changes. But it was. We directly manipulated the country on their border and threw their ally into chaos. They seem to have fought back with the same "rules" we use in cases like this to protect their interests as well as many of the people of Ukraine.

If that had not been the case I would also be all over Russia's part. But everything that happened can be expected. We need to start being more diplomatic and halt the Neocons in their tracks who have thrown the world into chaos in the last 10 years. Russia has problems but it is not "the" problem. It is reacting.

[Duckhunter935]

10. Coup, nope sorry you listen to only

RT and Sputnik

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11. No. I actually have knowledge of the political parties there

Have you been to Kiev? Right. Obviously not.

The parties that took power could never have taken power any other way. They were Far right and represented less than 25% of the population. Even discounting the manipulation, support, and the large number of right Sector who did really dirty things during that period, the way the new government formed was not constitutional.

Have you researched the first Maidan? The one the press never brings up? The history behind this? I doubt it matters if you are invested.

Go ahead and continue to drink the coolaid and blow off any source outside the War Narrative as "Putin's people". Surely it makes the world seem much simpler that way I suppose.

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12. I will stand by the UN and the rest of the world