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riversedge

(70,214 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:20 AM Jun 2016

 The Shaming of Paul Ryan Is Now Complete

I do not think that folks like Paul Ryan feel shame.



 The Shaming of Paul Ryan Is Now Complete

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-shaming-of-paul-ryan-is-now-complete/


From silencing debate on guns to backing “textbook-racist” Trump, the GOP “leader” always puts partisanship above principle.



By John Nichols
June 23, 2016



Paul Ryan on Gun Control

House Speaker Paul Ryan at a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, on Thursday, June 23, 2016. (AP Photo / Evan Vucci)


The New York Daily News has a way of settling issues with front-page headlines. And the feisty tabloid’s headline on the morning after Speaker Paul Ryan shut down the House rather than allow a debate on gun-violence legislation settled it for Ryan.

A picture of the speaker appeared next to a headline “NRA’s Li’l Lapdog.” Perched on Ryan’s shoulder was the chief apologist for the gun industry, National Rifle Association taskmaster Wayne LaPierre, screeching “Heel, Paul, heel. Good boy!” A smaller headline ridiculed Ryan for claiming that he was upholding the Constitution when, in fact, the Wisconsin Republican was doing the bidding of the gun interests that have so consistently and generously funded his campaigns when he adjourned the House in the early hours of June 23.

As the overwhelming majority of Democrats and some Republicans step up to acknowledge—following the June 12 massacre in Orlando—that something must be done to address gun violence in America, the newspaper’s front page asked, “What does Speaker Ryan do?”

Now that he is at the top of the political ladder, Paul Ryan is revealed as nothing more than a cynical careerist.

The answer: “Rolls over, again.”

...................

Yet, now that he is at the top of the ladder, Ryan is revealed as nothing more than a cynical careerist, with no political courage and no clues about how to wield the power he has attained for any purpose other than rewarding his corporate benefactors. ......................

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 The Shaming of Paul Ryan Is Now Complete (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2016 OP
Anyone in favor of bypassing the 5th amendment is on the wrong side Press Virginia Jun 2016 #1
Or willfully misinterpreting the 2nd Amendment for corporate gain, or destroying the 4th Amendment, villager Jun 2016 #2
The 2nd is an individual right Press Virginia Jun 2016 #3
Sure, Antonin. Keep "interpreting." villager Jun 2016 #4
War Weapons? Like the Remington 700, Mossberg 500 or the Barretta m9? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #5
Whatever, Antonin. villager Jun 2016 #7
What apologetics? You're upset at an inanimate object because it looks Press Virginia Jun 2016 #17
Nobody buys your ancient, blood-soaked NRA talking points anymore villager Jun 2016 #25
NRA talking points? I'm sorry you're scared of a rifle with a pistol grip Press Virginia Jun 2016 #34
Again, nobody's buying. Sorry. nt villager Jun 2016 #35
Hahahaha! Facts don't seem to sit well with you guys Press Virginia Jun 2016 #36
Another NRA Errand boy consigned to the ignore list. villager Jun 2016 #37
To those on the other end, it feels like one, too. stone space Jun 2016 #8
Boom! Mic drop! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #9
Boom! nt brer cat Jun 2016 #10
really? Does a .223 from an AR feel different than a .223 from a Ruger Scout? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #16
Leave, just leave. Scruffy Rumbler Jun 2016 #29
Awwww...did facts get in your way Press Virginia Jun 2016 #31
No, your blood thirst for your gun taking precedent over people, you know...getting to live. Scruffy Rumbler Jun 2016 #38
My guns have never killed or injured anyone Press Virginia Jun 2016 #39
Couldn't agree more... you're making WAY to much sense, which means NEVER gonna happen! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #6
Given to those who are in a well-regulated militia if it were still needed which it isn't Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #12
Not according to Madison. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #15
I'm not a member of any militia. stone space Jun 2016 #18
If you're between 18 and 45 you are. And you were during those years Press Virginia Jun 2016 #19
I've never been part of any militia. (nt) stone space Jun 2016 #20
Whatever. The definition is codified Press Virginia Jun 2016 #21
It's a simple fact. I am not, and never have been, a member of any militia. stone space Jun 2016 #22
If you say so. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #23
As others have pointed out, if you are a male U.S citizen between the ages of 17 and 45, you are LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #26
I have not given my consent. And "no" still means "no". stone space Jun 2016 #27
Whether you consent or not is irrelevant; you are legally defined as such. LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #28
What a rebel...of course your consent is irrelevant to the definition Press Virginia Jun 2016 #33
Sorry, not interested in your NRA Blue Tarp Militia bullshit. stone space Jun 2016 #40
I guess the NRA built a time machine Press Virginia Jun 2016 #41
When did this militia (whole population) become well regulated? Scruffy Rumbler Jun 2016 #30
When it's called into service it is subject to regulation. Press Virginia Jun 2016 #32
You should check out the federal code on that Press Virginia Jun 2016 #24
Letting killers have guns is also the wrong way to go Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #13
Killers aren't allowed to have guns Press Virginia Jun 2016 #14
"Now that he is at the top of the political ladder... malthaussen Jun 2016 #11
 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
1. Anyone in favor of bypassing the 5th amendment is on the wrong side
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:51 AM
Jun 2016

I'm ashamed of Democrats who thought it was a good idea to strip people of their rights without so much as a criminal charge.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. Or willfully misinterpreting the 2nd Amendment for corporate gain, or destroying the 4th Amendment,
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:12 AM
Jun 2016

etc....

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
3. The 2nd is an individual right
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:21 AM
Jun 2016

Repeal it, amend it or find a case where the courts will decide law abiding citizens have no right to the means to protect their life or property.

But using a secret government list to deny that right is the wrong way to go

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
4. Sure, Antonin. Keep "interpreting."
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:24 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:26 AM - Edit history (1)

The secret list should have some redress.

But we don't need to put war weapons in everyone's hands because just because the NRA are successful errand boys for gun manufacturers.

Now get some sleep.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
5. War Weapons? Like the Remington 700, Mossberg 500 or the Barretta m9?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:38 AM
Jun 2016

those are weapons actually used in war.
The AR15 only looks like one.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
7. Whatever, Antonin.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:25 AM
Jun 2016

Keep the tiresome, bloody apologetics rollin'.

What else do you know, after all ?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
25. Nobody buys your ancient, blood-soaked NRA talking points anymore
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

You fail to grasp how pathetic they are.

And the bodies cooling on the floor care little for your semantics.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
34. NRA talking points? I'm sorry you're scared of a rifle with a pistol grip
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016

and a bayonet lug but the reality is that rifle isn't used to actually kill many people.

Readings of Madison and other founders show their intention was that citizens had the right to be armed.

If you had any principles you'd be calling for a ban on pistols

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
16. really? Does a .223 from an AR feel different than a .223 from a Ruger Scout?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

Rifles kill about 400/year...and they're aren't all ARs or their derivatives.

I'm sure a 9mm would feel just as bad

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
15. Not according to Madison.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jun 2016

the militia the the whole of the population. It's not a government entity until called upon.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
18. I'm not a member of any militia.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016
the militia the the whole of the population.


Never have been, and never will be.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
22. It's a simple fact. I am not, and never have been, a member of any militia.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

You can go searching for some quote from the Holy Bible in support of your opinion, for all I care, but that won't change the simple fact that I am not now, have never been, nor will I ever be, a member of any damn militia.


LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
26. As others have pointed out, if you are a male U.S citizen between the ages of 17 and 45, you are
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

Aa) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
27. I have not given my consent. And "no" still means "no".
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

If they don't like it, they can throw me in jail, or they can kill me.

But I will never be part of any militia.

That's just the way it is.




LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
28. Whether you consent or not is irrelevant; you are legally defined as such.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jun 2016

That's just the way it is. You can stick your fingers in your ears and say "La, la la" all you want, but that is all you are doing.

In the unlikely event you were called to duty by the President, you could attempt claim non-combatant conscientious status, but that would not release you from your legal duty to serve, or change your status as a member of the militia under the law.

See, there's this thing called the real world, that sometimes doesn't conform to our idealistic fantasies.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
40. Sorry, not interested in your NRA Blue Tarp Militia bullshit.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jun 2016

Here, have a little Australian Style Gun Control.


 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
41. I guess the NRA built a time machine
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:41 AM
Jun 2016

went back to 1956 and had congress put the definition in the US Code.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
30. When did this militia (whole population) become well regulated?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

Does it include training? Which people am I suppose to shoot? How do I know you from a good guy with a gun?

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
11. "Now that he is at the top of the political ladder...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jun 2016

... Paul Ryan is revealed as nothing more than a cynical careerist."

Apparently, Mr Nichols wasn't paying attention before now.

-- Mal

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