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Trump's similarities to Putin are evident, but will we call him out for what he really is?
None Dare Call it TreasonI may not like it, but Im not surprised that Trump tapped Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, a crusading climate change denier and an advocate of dismantling the Environmental Protection Agency, to run the EPA, presumably into the ground. Anyone who interpreted Al Gores meeting with Trump as a sign of his open-mindedness on climate change got played, just like Gore got played.
Similarly, Im cynical but not shocked that Trumps picks for treasury secretary, National Economic Council and chief adviser Steven Mnuchin, Gary Cohn and Steve Bannon are alumni of Goldman Sachs. A billionaire managed to hijack Bernie Sanders indictment of Wall Street and brand Hillary Clinton as the stooge of Goldman Sachs. The success of that impersonation isnt on Trump, its on us.
Im infuriated, but not startled that Trump refuses to disclose his tax returns, divest his assets, create a credible blind trust, obey the constitutional prohibition of foreign emoluments or eliminate the conflict between fattening his family fortune and advancing American interests. Thats not draining the swamp, its drinking it.
Its abysmal that Democrats didnt have a good enough jobs message to convince enough Rust Belt voters to choose their economic alternative to Trumps tax cuts for the rich. Its disgraceful that the media normalized Trump, propagated his lies, monetized his notoriety and lapped up his tweet porn. Its maddening that the Electoral College apportions ballot power inequitably. But as enervating as any of that is, none of it is as dangerous to democracy as the CIAs finding that Putin hacked the 2016 election on Trumps behalf. Without firing a single shot, the Kremlin is weeks away from installing its puppet in the White House.
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Trump's similarities to Putin are evident, but will we call him out for what he really is? (Original Post)
Bill USA
Dec 2016
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J_William_Ryan
(1,748 posts)1. Nonsense
Its abysmal that Democrats didnt have a good enough jobs message to convince enough Rust Belt voters to choose their economic alternative to Trumps tax cuts for the rich.
Whats abysmal is this sort of clueless naiveté, the wrongheaded notion that voters vote in a manner where they objectively consider the plans and positions of a given party, with no consideration as to the candidate.
Clinton lost because she was unpopular to most of the voters in a majority of the states, having little to do with the merits of the Democratic economic message.
The problem wasn't the Democrats' job message, which was in fact 'good enough'; the problem was their candidate.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)2. the point of the article is that Trump is a liar & acting like Putin. ... another excerpt..
Before the election, when both parties congressional leaders were secretly informed that Russia had its thumb on the scale for Trump, Republican leader Mitch McConnell torpedoed a bipartisan plan to decry their intervention. Now that the news is out, Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Sunday that the intel should alarm every American, and they called for a bipartisan investigation to stop the grave threats that cyberattacks
pose to our national security.
Trumps response? I think it is ridiculous. Its just another excuse. I dont believe it. Every week its another excuse. We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College.
As we dont know. Trumps Electoral College margin will rank 44thamong the 54 presidential elections that have been held since the 12thAmendment was ratified. Nate Silver called Trumps landslide claim Orwellian. The Washington Post gave it Four Pinocchios. Why not just call it a lie?
Trump blew off the Kremlins intervention in our election the way Putin denied Russias intervention in Ukraine. Do we call that a lie, too?
Maybe theres a better word we should dare to use.
Trumps response? I think it is ridiculous. Its just another excuse. I dont believe it. Every week its another excuse. We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College.
As we dont know. Trumps Electoral College margin will rank 44thamong the 54 presidential elections that have been held since the 12thAmendment was ratified. Nate Silver called Trumps landslide claim Orwellian. The Washington Post gave it Four Pinocchios. Why not just call it a lie?
Trump blew off the Kremlins intervention in our election the way Putin denied Russias intervention in Ukraine. Do we call that a lie, too?
Maybe theres a better word we should dare to use.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)3. re your contention the problem was HRC see: How the Media Manufactured Hatred of Hillary Clinton
How the Media Manufactured Hatred of Hillary Clinton
We all know the story. This is the hate election, the lesser-of-two-evils election, the most-unpopular-candidates-in-the-history-of-modern-presidential-politics election. Everybody hates Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. If only we had different candidates from whom to choose, the pundits say, as they roll their eyes and emit heavy sighs! No doubt, you dont like either one of them very much. You will pull the voting lever with resignation. Or so we are told.
But I began to speculate on how much of the Hillary hatred at least (Trump was very unpopular as reflected in polling data from the get-go) was driven by the press coverage, how many Americans were effectively brainwashed into hating Hillary or felt peer pressure to join the anti-Hillary chorus because the media kept telling us how awful she was, and we didnt want to be outliers to the hate brigade.
And while there is no definitive way to measure the impact of press coverage on public opinion, I think a fairly powerful case can be made that the media narrative created the media narrative yet another case of political post-modernism.
The fact is that Hillary Clinton wasnt unpopular when she announced her decision to run in April 2015. If you look at the Gallup survey in March of last year, 50 percent of Americans had a favorable impression of Clinton, only 39 percent an unfavorable one. So there was clearly no deep reservoir of Clinton hatred among the general public at the time. On the contrary: Americans liked her; they liked her quite a bit.
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I realize there is an effort to cover the Republican tracks to the Big Lie that Clinton indeed did something egregiously out of bounds in her handling of emails and also broke a law. IT's just one more GOP Big Lie - which the M$M aided and abetted by helping to sell the Lie to the public. This is what brought down her approval numbers.
Even so, Hillary WON the election. The only reason the molesting fraudster is going into the White House is because of the iniquitous inequity of the Electoral College system which proportionally disenfranchises those of us in more densely populated districts and states and because of the rule of awarding all a state's electors to the winning candidate in that state rather than apportioning them in accordance with the popular vote. Traditional it may be, but certainly it is but it violates the principle of one man one vote.
here are links to two good articles on the Email scandal Big Lie:
The real Clinton email scandal is that a bullshit story has dominated the campaign
Media obsession with a bullshit email scandal helped Trump to the White House
Egregiously out of bounds to what others have done? Colin Powell had a personal email account in which he conducted official government business. HE advise Clinton to do the same. There is no difference, legally, in his using a personal email account and her use of a personal server maintained by Government IT types and in a facility guarded by a Government security personnel. There was no Government reg at the time, which prohibited use of personal email accounts.
Comey said some of the emails contained classified information - what Comey did not say was that the State dept did not then or now agree that those emails contained Classified information. What Comey had to admit, when questioned by Rep. Matt Cartwright in that congressional committee hearing, was that NOT ONE OF THE EMAILS IN QUESTION HAD A CLASSIFIED HEADER ON IT - AS IS REQUIRED BY LAW. Comey also admitted that with none of the emails in question having a classified header on it - IT WAS REASONABLE FOR SEC CLINTON TO INFER THAT THERE WAS NO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IN THE EMAILS.
BUT THESE ADMISSIONS BY COMEY WERE NOT REPORTED ON M$M NEWS. AS I said, the M$M did it's job well in MISINFORMING THE PUBLIC about Clinton's emails.
NOTe also that not one of the emails in question was initiated by Sec Clinton. They were all either sent to or forwarded to Sec Clinton.
ANd re her behavior as being extraordinary and at odds with how most staffers in the State Dept operate, see the following article:
The Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal that isnt
Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this scandal is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but its not something a prosecutor would take to court.
Its common that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel whos now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.
There are always these back channels, Smith explained. Its inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables. People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldnt, but they do. {"they shouldn't"??... Fuck! Be realistic. They wouldn't be able to get the things done, they need to, otherwise! Sometimes people need answers in a short time frame that can't be met by using the encrypted route._B USA}
Its common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isnt used, said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldnt normally lead to criminal cases.
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We all know the story. This is the hate election, the lesser-of-two-evils election, the most-unpopular-candidates-in-the-history-of-modern-presidential-politics election. Everybody hates Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. If only we had different candidates from whom to choose, the pundits say, as they roll their eyes and emit heavy sighs! No doubt, you dont like either one of them very much. You will pull the voting lever with resignation. Or so we are told.
But I began to speculate on how much of the Hillary hatred at least (Trump was very unpopular as reflected in polling data from the get-go) was driven by the press coverage, how many Americans were effectively brainwashed into hating Hillary or felt peer pressure to join the anti-Hillary chorus because the media kept telling us how awful she was, and we didnt want to be outliers to the hate brigade.
And while there is no definitive way to measure the impact of press coverage on public opinion, I think a fairly powerful case can be made that the media narrative created the media narrative yet another case of political post-modernism.
The fact is that Hillary Clinton wasnt unpopular when she announced her decision to run in April 2015. If you look at the Gallup survey in March of last year, 50 percent of Americans had a favorable impression of Clinton, only 39 percent an unfavorable one. So there was clearly no deep reservoir of Clinton hatred among the general public at the time. On the contrary: Americans liked her; they liked her quite a bit.
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I realize there is an effort to cover the Republican tracks to the Big Lie that Clinton indeed did something egregiously out of bounds in her handling of emails and also broke a law. IT's just one more GOP Big Lie - which the M$M aided and abetted by helping to sell the Lie to the public. This is what brought down her approval numbers.
Even so, Hillary WON the election. The only reason the molesting fraudster is going into the White House is because of the iniquitous inequity of the Electoral College system which proportionally disenfranchises those of us in more densely populated districts and states and because of the rule of awarding all a state's electors to the winning candidate in that state rather than apportioning them in accordance with the popular vote. Traditional it may be, but certainly it is but it violates the principle of one man one vote.
here are links to two good articles on the Email scandal Big Lie:
The real Clinton email scandal is that a bullshit story has dominated the campaign
Media obsession with a bullshit email scandal helped Trump to the White House
Egregiously out of bounds to what others have done? Colin Powell had a personal email account in which he conducted official government business. HE advise Clinton to do the same. There is no difference, legally, in his using a personal email account and her use of a personal server maintained by Government IT types and in a facility guarded by a Government security personnel. There was no Government reg at the time, which prohibited use of personal email accounts.
Comey said some of the emails contained classified information - what Comey did not say was that the State dept did not then or now agree that those emails contained Classified information. What Comey had to admit, when questioned by Rep. Matt Cartwright in that congressional committee hearing, was that NOT ONE OF THE EMAILS IN QUESTION HAD A CLASSIFIED HEADER ON IT - AS IS REQUIRED BY LAW. Comey also admitted that with none of the emails in question having a classified header on it - IT WAS REASONABLE FOR SEC CLINTON TO INFER THAT THERE WAS NO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IN THE EMAILS.
BUT THESE ADMISSIONS BY COMEY WERE NOT REPORTED ON M$M NEWS. AS I said, the M$M did it's job well in MISINFORMING THE PUBLIC about Clinton's emails.
NOTe also that not one of the emails in question was initiated by Sec Clinton. They were all either sent to or forwarded to Sec Clinton.
ANd re her behavior as being extraordinary and at odds with how most staffers in the State Dept operate, see the following article:
The Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal that isnt
Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this scandal is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but its not something a prosecutor would take to court.
Its common that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel whos now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.
There are always these back channels, Smith explained. Its inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables. People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldnt, but they do. {"they shouldn't"??... Fuck! Be realistic. They wouldn't be able to get the things done, they need to, otherwise! Sometimes people need answers in a short time frame that can't be met by using the encrypted route._B USA}
Its common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isnt used, said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldnt normally lead to criminal cases.
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