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red dog 1

(27,770 posts)
Mon May 1, 2017, 04:47 PM May 2017

Yale Historian Warns It's "Inevitable" That Trump Will Stage His Own "Reichstag Fire"

Raw Story
May 1, 2017

"Yale Historian Warns That It's 'Inevitable' That Trump Will Stage His Own 'Reichstag Fire' To Save His Presidency"


Yale University Professor Timothy Snyder's recent book focusing "On Tyranny" not only puts President Donald Trump in context with other 1930s fascists, but it walks readers through steps for the resistance to maintain freedom.

In a recent interview for Chauncey DeVega's podcast, Snyder explained that Americans assumed nothing bad would ever happen since the Cold War ended.

Trump managed to tap into the idea that the U.S. isn't a democracy anymore so people should simply let him be their very own oligarch.

But because Americans tend to throw around terms like "fascist" "dictator" and "Hitler,"
the idea loses it's meaning.
Add to that, Americans tend to believe in our own exceptionalism.

"As I see it, there are certainly elements of his approach which are fascistic," Snyder explained.
"The straight-on confrontation with the truth is at the center of the fascist worldview."

Fascists during the 20th century were quick to urge putting aside the facts.
They also tend to use language similar to Trump's during his rallies.
They name enemies, remove opponents and use blunt slogans and soundbites over and over again.

More:
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/yale-historian-warns-its-inevitable-that-trump-will-stage-his-own-reichstag-fire-to-save-his-presidency/



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Yale Historian Warns It's "Inevitable" That Trump Will Stage His Own "Reichstag Fire" (Original Post) red dog 1 May 2017 OP
Study Hitler's strategies and you will know what Trump intends to try. nt ladjf May 2017 #1
Eventually he must do something ... GeorgeGist May 2017 #2
Do I feel the American Public are smart enough to see through this? YOHABLO May 2017 #3
People aren't born that stupid. FiveGoodMen May 2017 #4
I hope we can hold the line and prevent a takeover if Trump stages his own 'Reichstag Fire'. Nitram May 2017 #5
Democrats response after 9/11 doesn't give much hope of that. yurbud May 2017 #6
I disagree. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since 9/11, and Democrats Nitram May 2017 #8
the "threat" profited people who have deep hooks into both parties. yurbud May 2017 #12
No, only one party had the ability to raise the threat level as a distraction Nitram May 2017 #18
no argument there, especially during the Bush years. The Obama/Clinton method seemed to be yurbud May 2017 #19
it would have to be bigger than 9/11 to have the necessary impact and a new enemy yurbud May 2017 #7
He's stupid, but, imo, not stupid enough to start a war with Russia or China, red dog 1 May 2017 #9
the neocons are that stupid and they have a track record of not being punished for their mistakes yurbud May 2017 #11
Trump also has a track record of not being punished for his mistakes red dog 1 May 2017 #13
As did Dubya FiveGoodMen May 2017 #17
Actually Synder said it was "pretty much inevitable" onenote May 2017 #10
I actually disagree, Onenote. Remember Rump's very strong Hortensis May 2017 #14
The total unpredictablility of Trump's actions makes it impossible to say anything is "inevitable" onenote May 2017 #15
Well, I also blew off what I felt was the sort of exaggerated Hortensis May 2017 #16

GeorgeGist

(25,311 posts)
2. Eventually he must do something ...
Mon May 1, 2017, 05:32 PM
May 2017

to prove his mettle. His ego won't suffer anything less.


Martyrdom perhaps.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
3. Do I feel the American Public are smart enough to see through this?
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:05 PM
May 2017

NO NO NO .. too many uneducated lemmings.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
5. I hope we can hold the line and prevent a takeover if Trump stages his own 'Reichstag Fire'.
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:16 AM
May 2017

I am not confident the GOP will do the right thing.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
8. I disagree. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since 9/11, and Democrats
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:05 PM
May 2017

have seen how the Bush Administration milked the terrorist "threat" to get elected to a second term.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
18. No, only one party had the ability to raise the threat level as a distraction
Sat May 13, 2017, 06:28 PM
May 2017

every time the other party was making headway in the polls.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
19. no argument there, especially during the Bush years. The Obama/Clinton method seemed to be
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:07 AM
May 2017

make war boring so the public stops paying attention.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
7. it would have to be bigger than 9/11 to have the necessary impact and a new enemy
Tue May 9, 2017, 10:05 AM
May 2017

like China or Russia.

It would be ironic if he went from the Siberian Candidate to starting a war with Russia inside of a year.

red dog 1

(27,770 posts)
9. He's stupid, but, imo, not stupid enough to start a war with Russia or China,
Wed May 10, 2017, 04:06 PM
May 2017

However, North Korea is a possibility, (which will anger China)

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
11. the neocons are that stupid and they have a track record of not being punished for their mistakes
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:29 AM
May 2017

they have been failing up since the late Cold War.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
17. As did Dubya
Sat May 13, 2017, 05:49 PM
May 2017

"Off the table" "Look forward, not back"

Let's face it, we've been let down by our own side for a long time now.

They should have cared enough to fight this evil.

And they shouldn't have to ask me ten times a day to bribe them to do the right thing on every single issue.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
10. Actually Synder said it was "pretty much inevitable"
Wed May 10, 2017, 10:59 PM
May 2017

Which is a coward's way of making it sound like something's inevitable when it really isn't.

Of course that didn't stop Raw Story from leaving out the "pretty much" part.

When Snyder can predict what Trump's Reichstag Fire moment is going to be and ow it will be comparable to the actual Reichstag fire, get back to me.

There is serious stuff to deal with here without engaging in half assed predictions.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. I actually disagree, Onenote. Remember Rump's very strong
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:49 AM
May 2017

pattern of creating distractions from his embarrassments? He does it almost as naturally as breathing.

Question is how big a distraction or series of he'd think he needed. Another 9/11 with a few thousand dead would probably be more than enough. If we're going to speak of cowardice, just remember how our nation reacted to that event.

But as for the risk of something bigger, I think he's probably every bit as dysfunctional and capable of acting on erratic whims and rages, unable to foresee or care about consequences, as many psychiatrists consider him.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
15. The total unpredictablility of Trump's actions makes it impossible to say anything is "inevitable"
Fri May 12, 2017, 12:11 PM
May 2017

Not much in life, except death, is "inevitable."

I do agree that if there is a significant terror attack, Trump will try to use it as the basis for actions curtailing civil liberties, particularly those of Muslims and/or immigrants.

However, that's not a "Reichstag Fire" type event. The term Reichstag Fire is colloquially used to refer to an incident (possibly false flag) that is used as grounds for stripping power from political opponents. I do not believe it is inevitable that there will be an event (or that Trump could manufacture an event) that could then be used as the basis for rounding up Democrats or preventing elected Democrats from participating in the political or electoral process.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Well, I also blew off what I felt was the sort of exaggerated
Fri May 12, 2017, 12:40 PM
May 2017

statements attention-seeking intellectuals are prone to. Hitler's 1930s Germany was very different from 2017 U.S. And, no, Rump hasn't taken over the U.S. government by "coup," another of these irresponsible things.

Nevertheless, regarding that noise somewhat less than literally, as I did, it seems very likely to me that Rump will try to save his power through some big rabble-rousing event. It should be perceived as protecting the nation from threat, and as 9/11 showed us with the help of a sensationalist press it can take ridiculously little to do that.

Given where his strongest support comes from, his success with rallies, and the lessons from 9/11, of course he would seek to rouse fear and aggression in the populace--and with it eager, unquestioning support of the "strong," vengeful leader that anxious, angry people tend to yearn for.

Exploiting ignorance and character flaws is, after all, in chapter 1 of How to Be a Dictator for Dummies and also one of the few things he truly understands and is practiced in.

I wouldn't think he could have anything approaching Hitler's success, but he might shift a majority of public support for him and against democratic principles, and Democrats. For a while anyway.

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