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Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:15 PM Jun 2017

If you think they stole it, read this: Elections officials outgunned in Russia's cyberwar against US

Elections officials outgunned in Russia’s cyberwar against America
By Greg Gordon, Ben Wieder and Kevin G. Hall

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What Brian and other election officials across eight states didn’t know until the leak of a classified intelligence is that Russian operatives hacked into the Florida headquarters of VR Systems, Inc., the vendor that sold them digital products to manage voter registrations.

A week before the election, the hackers sent emails using a VR Systems address to 122 state and local election officials across the country, inviting them to open an attachment wired with malicious software that spoofed “legitimate elections-related services,” the report said. The malware was designed to retrieve enough additional information to set the stage for serious mischief, said the National Security Agency report disclosed by the Intercept, an investigative web site.

That wasn’t the only type of attack.

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In Georgia, where a nationally watched congressional runoff race is scheduled for Tuesday, Politico magazine reported that a U.S. hacker from a national laboratory seeking to expose vulnerabilities in election systems was able to easily download millions of voter records from Kennesaw State University’s Center for Election Systems, which manages them. Election watchdog groups say subsequent warnings to the state about a hole in their system went unheeded for months.

David Jefferson, a computer scientist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California who has acted in his personal capacity in trying to safeguard election integrity, said he believes it is “absolutely possible” that the Russians affected last year’s election.

“And we have done almost nothing to seriously examine that,” he said.
The web connecting the Trump administration to Russia

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“The Russians really were engaged in a pattern of attacks against the machinery of the election, and not merely a pattern of propaganda or information warfare and selective leaking,” said Alex Halderman, a University of Michigan computer science professor. “The question is, how far did they get in that pattern of attacks, and were they successful?”

Election officials across the country may not even know if they’ve been attacked, computer scientists say, pointing to the scenario that played out in Durham County.

State and local voting systems appear to be easy prey for sophisticated hackers.

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“If we don’t fix our badly broken system before the next major presidential election, we’re going to be hacked into,” said Barbara Simons, author of “Broken Ballots,” a 2012 book about election security published by Stanford University. “It might not just be Russia. It might be North Korea, China, Iran or partisans.”

While the Netherlands opted to shift to paper ballots when alerted the Russians were trying to swing its election outcome to the right, U.S. election officials have stood pat.

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“The ability to manipulate the vote tally, that’s quite complicated,” the Homeland Security official said. “We didn’t see an ability to really accomplish that even in an individual voting machine. You have to have physical access to do that. It’s not as easy as you think.”

Some of the nation’s top experts in voting security disagree.

Lawrence Livermore’s Jefferson voiced frustration with the “defensive” refrain of denials from state and local election officials, including the National Association of Secretaries of State.

“Election officials do not talk about vulnerabilities,” Jefferson said, “because that would give the advantage to the attacker. And they don’t want to undermine public confidence in elections.”

North Carolina was considered to be a swing state in the presidential race, and Durham County, with an African-American population of more than 37 percent, had voted more than 75 percent in favor of putting and keeping Barack Obama in the White House. Last year’s governor’s race was a dead heat entering Election Day.

The chaos in Durham County led to 90-minute delays. Some voters rang a Voter Protection Hotline to complain that their names had disappeared from the registration system or that they were told they already had voted.

The county hired a contractor to investigate the foul-up, but the inquiry never examined whether the system was hacked.

Twenty other North Carolina counties used the system, including Mecklenburg County, encompassing most of Charlotte. Though none reported problems on the scale of Durham County, release of the NSA report prompted the North Carolina Board of Elections to order a new investigation.

A former FBI agent is leading the inquiry. Critics say the three-member investigative team again lacks expertise in forensics.

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Halderman, the University of Michigan expert, said he believes the best solution is for states to require paper trails for all voting equipment and post-election audits to ensure the vote counts are authentic.

“There’s no guarantee that we’ll know we’re under attack,” he said, “unless we do the quality control that we need by doing these audits to detect manipulation.”

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article157039299.html#storylink=cpy

And just so you know there is hope, Verified Voting is doing great work on this:
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/about-vvo/
Most of the experts mentioned in the article are involved with them.
You can sign up for their email list on their site.

Edited to add: Example of one thing Verified Voting did recently:

Verified Voting Blog: Technology Experts’ Letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp
Regarding the FBI criminal investigation into an alleged cyber attack of the Kennesaw State University Center for Election Systems
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verified-voting-letter-to-georgia-secretary-of-state-brian-kemp/



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If you think they stole it, read this: Elections officials outgunned in Russia's cyberwar against US (Original Post) Amaryllis Jun 2017 OP
Oy and Vey stephensolomita Jun 2017 #1
I just added the bit at the end about Verified Voting so people don't feel totallly hopeless! Amaryllis Jun 2017 #2
Kick. dalton99a Jun 2017 #3
If you have been listening to Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #4
I don't hear them saying anything about this ProfessorPlum Jun 2017 #21
Crickets SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #5
Some of us have been saying this since 2000. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #7
Yes indeed, but few cared enough to listen, and none cared enough to act. Rainbow Droid Jun 2017 #15
Touch Liberal In Red State Jun 2017 #20
Got that right. Cheating is a tool, just as acceptable as Alice11111 Jun 2017 #13
the Obama administration knew KT2000 Jun 2017 #6
As the article says, election officials don't liek to admit vulnerabilities. THey figure it reflects Amaryllis Jun 2017 #8
Easy peasy. PdxSean Jun 2017 #9
The NASS - election integrity DENIERS!!! diva77 Jun 2017 #10
What you said. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #19
Thanks for the post. Many of us here suspected that the back end voting systems were hacked... iluvtennis Jun 2017 #11
Next time you want a Manchurian Candidate find one that: gordianot Jun 2017 #12
r-cons deny putin hacking because they know ignoring it is helping them certainot Jun 2017 #14
And this is why Repugs will win lots more elections... padfun Jun 2017 #16
Republicans can't win a fair fight, exhibit # 335,742 mac56 Jun 2017 #17
K & R L. Coyote Jun 2017 #18

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
2. I just added the bit at the end about Verified Voting so people don't feel totallly hopeless!
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jun 2017

They are doing great work on this issue.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. If you have been listening to
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jun 2017

Democratic Congress and Senate Members,this is what scare the crap out of them. We are on the verge of our Election system loosing it's confidence factor. So Friggin close. If GA 6 turns into a nightmare of numbers being switched,then just hang on,the manure will hit the fan in a major way.

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
21. I don't hear them saying anything about this
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:46 AM
Jun 2017

Is there any national Democrat calling for paper, hand-counted ballots?

If they ever do, then I will believe they are finally waking up.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
5. Crickets
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jun 2017

I love the quote...“If we don’t fix our badly broken system before the next major presidential election, we’re going to be hacked into,”

Yeah, right. Some of us have been saying this since 2004, but have been generally ignored and called conspiracy nuts.

Neither side cares to do a thing about it, and NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

As they pointed out in the article, there be problems in GA. I do not expect the Democrat to win, for that reason alone. The repubs play to win, and it does not matter to them if they have to cheat to do so, all that matters is Winning.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
13. Got that right. Cheating is a tool, just as acceptable as
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:18 PM
Jun 2017

Advertising or phone calls
One reason they only have the phony investigations (Muellers aside) is they are all caught up in it. They are all about CYA. If Mueller finds something, they will probably disagree.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
6. the Obama administration knew
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jun 2017

about the potential for hacks and offered assistance to states to protect their voting integrity but they were turned down by the states - why?

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
8. As the article says, election officials don't liek to admit vulnerabilities. THey figure it reflects
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jun 2017

poorly on them and don't want to shake public confidence in elections. And many of them just plain don't know enough about technology to recognize it could be a problem.

PdxSean

(574 posts)
9. Easy peasy.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:33 PM
Jun 2017

Because republican red state leaders were working closely with Russia swing the election via hacking.

diva77

(7,640 posts)
10. The NASS - election integrity DENIERS!!!
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jun 2017

from your post:

Lawrence Livermore’s Jefferson voiced frustration with the “defensive” refrain of denials from state and local election officials, including the National Association of Secretaries of State.

“Election officials do not talk about vulnerabilities,” Jefferson said, “because that would give the advantage to the attacker. And they don’t want to undermine public confidence in elections.”

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Tired old talking point about not wanting to undermine public confidence in elections. It's completely backwards. They never had a credible reason FOR public confidence in "elections" conducted with computerized voting equipment. The machines do not meet the burden of proof that votes are cast as intended and tabulated accurately.

iluvtennis

(19,852 posts)
11. Thanks for the post. Many of us here suspected that the back end voting systems were hacked...
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:04 PM
Jun 2017

...in addition to the front end propaganda machine. We really need to go back to manual vote registration and vote counting until the computer and software systems have the correct security solutions in place.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
12. Next time you want a Manchurian Candidate find one that:
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jun 2017

Is not a narcissistic bragging loud mouth idiot. Openly asking a foreign enemy to hack your opponent and clearly showing them blatant favortism is not a good idea.

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