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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:40 PM Dec 2017

How Doug Jones Destroyed Roy Moores Whole Shtick with One Well-Chosen Verb

This may not be the reason Jones won, but it shows more thought about turning Republicans supposed strengths into laughable liabilities.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one has done this effectively to Trump.


Enter Doug Jones. If there’s one person on Earth whose view of gender is less enlightened than Donald Trump’s, it’s Roy Moore. And like the president, Moore loves playing the tough guy. Hence the gun at the rally. Hence the ten-gallon hat. Hence the decision, however questionable, to ride a horse to his polling place on Election Day.

Jones could have gone the Rubio route and tried to prove he was the alpha of the race. Roy Moore pulls out a pistol? Doug Jones pulls out a shotgun! Roy Moore rides on horseback? Doug Jones rides bareback! And so on, and so on. But instead of fighting on the culture warrior’s turf, Jones turned to ridicule.

“Prancing around on a stage in cowboy suit.”

Look at the word choice in that sentence. Not “walking” or “marching,” but “prancing.” Not at a rally, but “on a stage.” Not dressed like a cowboy, but “in a cowboy suit.” These were precise, cutting words. They didn’t just make fun of his opponent.
They went straight at the central conceit of his public persona – his toughness. Words like “prancing” and “cowboy suit” suggest the opposite of masculinity. Where Roy Moore presented himself as an alpha male, Doug Jones exposed him as a kind of right-wing cabaret act.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-doug-jones-destroyed-roy-moores-whole-shtick-with-one-well-chosen-verb
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How Doug Jones Destroyed Roy Moores Whole Shtick with One Well-Chosen Verb (Original Post) yurbud Dec 2017 OP
So feminizing him w prancing worked on sexist assholes and we should learn what from that? Nope. bettyellen Dec 2017 #1
To some extent, I'm in favor of what will cause electoral victory. David__77 Dec 2017 #3
My oldest friend is a "word shamer" CCExile Dec 2017 #32
Victory is not to be underestimated. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #78
No, exposing him as a fake. He was on a STAGE, prancing around in a COSTUME. pnwmom Dec 2017 #4
yup totally agree gabeana Dec 2017 #5
. . . in a cowboy costume . . . Sam McGee Dec 2017 #7
Waving his tiny dick wasn't really an option, TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #9
Apparently, volstork Dec 2017 #23
Al Franken said something similar about Bush in 2004: dressing up like a pilot & cowboy yurbud Dec 2017 #61
Yes, he exposed him for his flim flam "Music Man," scam show. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #79
Well sure, but Jones wasn't referring to a HORSE, Jones was talking about male person. vkkv Dec 2017 #101
He was riding a horse, "prancing" across the "stage" in his "cowboy suit." Horses prance. pnwmom Dec 2017 #102
LOL- so now hes talking about a horse. HA HA HA. Nope. bettyellen Dec 2017 #110
He was riding a horse, "prancing" across a "stage" in his "cowboy suit." pnwmom Dec 2017 #117
So he was talking about dressage horsemanship? Okay, if you say so, LOL. bettyellen Dec 2017 #119
Jones wasn't being homophobic. It's stretching the bounds of logic to accuse him of that. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #120
Prancing has long been a dogwhistle to denigrate gay men. Its rarely used, but hey it works in bettyellen Dec 2017 #121
opposite of masculinity Perseus Dec 2017 #15
I agree. He's a faker of a man with a small brain and a small heart. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #80
I am female and I do not prance Skittles Dec 2017 #20
It's oft used to imply men are homosexual- am I the only one who knows that? bettyellen Dec 2017 #22
the man looked ridiculous Skittles Dec 2017 #27
didn't think once homosexual until you brought it up gabeana Dec 2017 #30
The phony part has nothing to do w prancing though. The extra punch that works on possible RWers is bettyellen Dec 2017 #35
Prancing has to do with horses, not women. In your effort to defend gay men, you're insulting women. pnwmom Dec 2017 #82
WOW. Youre totally ignorant of the history of using read feminine attributes to diminish people? So bettyellen Dec 2017 #113
No, I'm not. I'm disputing that "prancing" "stage" or "cowboy suit" are feminine terms. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #116
Cowboy suit? LOL. Stop pretending to be having an honest conversation. You know it was prancing and bettyellen Dec 2017 #118
You Were... Cheviteau Dec 2017 #48
Seriously? Thats weird. Maybe I watch too many old movies, LOL .... its bettyellen Dec 2017 #90
The word is appropriate because its primary use is to describe the gait of a horse. pnwmom Dec 2017 #81
You're reading the wrong thing into it. Jones called him out on his ridiculous cowboy outfit and... brush Dec 2017 #84
Because its still a slur.... bettyellen Dec 2017 #91
Oh, like that story of football players has something to do with pedophile Moore. brush Dec 2017 #97
Where is the word "prance" in that article? n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #125
Pleading ignorance again? It is there. bettyellen Dec 2017 #140
So is the word "dance" feminine, too? I get the word ballerina, because that is the feminine pnwmom Dec 2017 #141
Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #142
I didn't lie. I simply asked where it was, because I hadn't seen it. Why are you so accusatory? pnwmom Dec 2017 #143
LOL, another pivot! Big shocker there. Keep spinning. bettyellen Dec 2017 #146
How is directly answering your question a "pivot"? n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #148
That would be a stereotype to suggest all men who prance around are gay, but it does point out Doodley Dec 2017 #106
That stereotype has been around a long time. Its weord so many never heard of it. I guess going to bettyellen Dec 2017 #109
You hear the word "prancing" a lot at Fashion school? Weird. I probably know pnwmom Dec 2017 #123
Directed toward gay students there? Yep. Also in films books movies and TV shows. bettyellen Dec 2017 #126
Who do you know who is directing that word at gay students at the Fashion School? pnwmom Dec 2017 #127
I just said it was not people AT school. Am done w your gaslighting nonsense- just like the GOP.... bettyellen Dec 2017 #129
You said "I guess going to Fashion school I notice it more than the average person. Weird." pnwmom Dec 2017 #137
You didnt realize fashion schools (as well as the industry)generally have a large contingent of gay bettyellen Dec 2017 #138
That's not what I said. I asked you who was saying it at the Fashion school, because that's pnwmom Dec 2017 #147
I dont always prance, but when I do, swimboy Dec 2017 #59
LOL Skittles Dec 2017 #60
I have a feeling Doug Jones used a word he thought would resonate with Alabama voters. jalan48 Dec 2017 #29
It pulled the legs out from under Moore's masculinity act. tinrobot Dec 2017 #34
It did for exactly that reason. It's just not something I love hearing.... bettyellen Dec 2017 #37
Isn't there a word for "ineffectively macho?" dchill Dec 2017 #42
We both know a dozen words linked to females that are used to shame men.... after last year, bettyellen Dec 2017 #43
I'm just looking for a better word. dchill Dec 2017 #44
well if you find one that doesn't denigrate the feminine, let me know. bettyellen Dec 2017 #45
Well, to me, "macho" is a synonym for "masculinely stupid." dchill Dec 2017 #47
And that word would not have resonated with the bigots, so thats awesome! bettyellen Dec 2017 #114
N/T Cheviteau Dec 2017 #49
Flaccid. Impotent. Puny. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #53
Okay, but none of those indicate the "but really trying" aspect. dchill Dec 2017 #69
How bout dis? BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #70
You've inspired me. How about "man-fail?" dchill Dec 2017 #76
Its intreating we have to try to make up new words - weve relied on the denigration of others too bettyellen Dec 2017 #93
How is "prancing" feminizing? JenniferJuniper Dec 2017 #51
True... it is usually a term used for show horses. tinrobot Dec 2017 #71
Sort of in the same way that 'strutting' might suggest the masculine. vkkv Dec 2017 #98
Is it me or are several people playing dumb here? Now theyre saying hes talking about a horse? bettyellen Dec 2017 #111
Moore rode a horse to the voting polling place, but I don't there was a horse on the stage with him vkkv Dec 2017 #149
Yep. Moore did his act to show how strong, powerful and manly Sophia4 Dec 2017 #77
This female does not consider "prancing" or "costume" TNNurse Dec 2017 #87
I guess no one remembers its use to (negatively) imply homosexuality? bettyellen Dec 2017 #89
I thought he looked foolish and silly, and TNNurse Dec 2017 #95
Well...we did not learn anything...the point is...it works... mentalslavery Dec 2017 #88
Yeah , its an approach that resonates with sexist homophobic troglodytes - youre right..... bettyellen Dec 2017 #92
Yep.. its a way to trick the bama's into voting democratic mentalslavery Dec 2017 #104
Thats all I am saying- its not something that works nationally, just places steeped in misogyny bettyellen Dec 2017 #112
I don't see how using the word "prancing" is feminizing him & as a woman I'm catbyte Dec 2017 #94
Of course such use of language is immature, but there is a long history of vkkv Dec 2017 #100
I don't see any word or term in this jrthin Dec 2017 #103
Why not feminize and mock these misogynist pigs who like to pretend they are tough? Doodley Dec 2017 #105
Saying that a man is"wearing a cowboy suit" is not feminizing. It is reducing the target Nitram Dec 2017 #108
I meant the use of prancing.... its an old homophobic dog whistle. bettyellen Dec 2017 #115
I guess I'm not up on my homophobic pejoratives. I haven't been around homophobes since I left home Nitram Dec 2017 #122
Sadly, Ive heard them a lot- even in NYC- because I went to fashion school and yeah it is a dog bettyellen Dec 2017 #124
Exactly. He infantilized him. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #128
Wow, the connections all fly right over youre head. LOL. bettyellen Dec 2017 #130
bettyellen, there are two equally valid (unless we ask Doug Jones for clarification) interpretations Nitram Dec 2017 #131
I was responding to the connection between feminizing and infantilizing a person- bettyellen Dec 2017 #132
You have multiple progressives right here disagreeing with your assertion pnwmom Dec 2017 #133
You jumped the shark a while back by pretending he was referring to the horse... bettyellen Dec 2017 #134
No bettyellen, pnwmom is right. We are not pretending, we are not dismissing the validity of Nitram Dec 2017 #135
Youre arguing your points honestly, and dont hear the dog whistle. bettyellen Dec 2017 #145
I did NOT pretend or say or hint that gay students used it. YOU said you heard it at the Fashion pnwmom Dec 2017 #136
You suggested that students or teachers were using the words. Good lord, have you ever been to a bettyellen Dec 2017 #139
Brought language to a gunfight and won. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #2
Language matters. Republicans have been experts at this for years. FuzzyRabbit Dec 2017 #11
"religious freedom" - when referring to the "freedom" to discriminate on religious grounds progree Dec 2017 #24
yep. people throw around a lot of metaphors about knives & spoons... yurbud Dec 2017 #62
So . . . Sam McGee Dec 2017 #6
Please remove the teenaged girl from the list. There are just as mean teenaged boys. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #8
Thank you. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #54
Tina Fey has it right. "Mean Girls" are a particular feminine breed unto themselves. maddiemom Dec 2017 #58
How about Putin's fluffer? Volaris Dec 2017 #16
carnival barker is too nice--it implies someone who works for a living. yurbud Dec 2017 #63
"Richie Rich pitching a fit" yurbud Dec 2017 #64
Prancing isn't a verb Piasladic Dec 2017 #10
Grammar got run over by a reindeer underpants Dec 2017 #12
lol grantcart Dec 2017 #18
Alrighty now. You go to your room right now, smarty underpants. And BTW, you japple Dec 2017 #26
😝 underpants Dec 2017 #52
Made me laugh chia Dec 2017 #28
+1000 dchill Dec 2017 #41
. PunkinPi Dec 2017 #86
Subject shadowmayor Dec 2017 #17
It really is a sentence fragment - not a sentence karynnj Dec 2017 #21
He's prancing on stage... vkkv Dec 2017 #96
"the ten-gallon hat." Perseus Dec 2017 #13
When he deliberately hurt his horse Sassy BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #14
Im with you. Definitely! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #55
I'd have called it a "Cowboy Costume", but yes, brilliant way to knock Crazy Roy down a peg or two groundloop Dec 2017 #19
The whole idea that Alabamans are impressed with cowboy outfits FakeNoose Dec 2017 #33
there are plenty of ranchers/cowboys throughout the south east Kali Dec 2017 #38
Yup. When Jones said that, it conjured up this image: SunSeeker Dec 2017 #25
Holy Shit! rgbecker Dec 2017 #56
Sorry, maybe I should have had a warning. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #75
Gangnam Style japple Dec 2017 #57
A classic. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #73
That is actually Roy Moore in a wig. yurbud Dec 2017 #65
LOL SunSeeker Dec 2017 #74
you're right, ridicule has its place bucolic_frolic Dec 2017 #31
You've got to connect the dots with a wide tip marker for part of the audience yurbud Dec 2017 #66
I wish Hillary said what Elizabeth Warren did about his "business skills" yurbud Dec 2017 #67
What surprised me most.... mudstump Dec 2017 #36
Bazinga! And it probably was loaded with blanks. George II Dec 2017 #40
When I heard that quote a week or two ago, I loved it. Perfect way to subtly put Moore down! George II Dec 2017 #39
I remember what David Letterman said about Bush* dressing up as a cowboy Rhiannon12866 Dec 2017 #46
yes indeed Cryptoad Dec 2017 #50
Bush might not have known who Holmes was apart from the "no shit" quote yurbud Dec 2017 #68
"patriotism is not dressing up in a flight suit and prancing around on the deck of a... carrier" Tactical Peek Dec 2017 #72
You have a good memory! n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #83
We should never forget his "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" appearance groundloop Dec 2017 #99
Damn! And of course Bush wasn't even right about the end of major military action yurbud Dec 2017 #107
Isn't a lot like what Don John the Con does when he names people scarytomcat Dec 2017 #85
Is he still a dem colbertforpresident Dec 2017 #144
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. So feminizing him w prancing worked on sexist assholes and we should learn what from that? Nope.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:47 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Edited it because people thought it was about dressing up. LOL. And no he’s NOT referring to the horse.

David__77

(23,372 posts)
3. To some extent, I'm in favor of what will cause electoral victory.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:55 PM
Dec 2017

At time, it has certainly occurred to me before that Democrats used language or imagery to play on people's prejudices.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
4. No, exposing him as a fake. He was on a STAGE, prancing around in a COSTUME.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:57 PM
Dec 2017

which was exactly what he was doing.

The words "stage" and "costume" aren't feminine.

And the word "prance" refers to the gait of a horse.

dictionary.com

prance
[prans, prahns]
Spell Syllables

verb (used without object), pranced, prancing.
1.
to spring from the hind legs; to move by springing, as a horse.
2.
to ride on a horse doing this.


gabeana

(3,166 posts)
5. yup totally agree
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:01 PM
Dec 2017

exactly what he was doing,

if some on DU can't get around labeling everything as some type of isim, that they don't approve of, then we are in trouble
luckily it looks like Dems want to fight now, call out hypocrisy I feel good about that

volstork

(5,400 posts)
23. Apparently,
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:01 PM
Dec 2017

it IS an option for some...

(Lauer, Rose, Weinstein, Louis CK, etc)

Kinda glad Roy didn't feel the need to follow suit.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
101. Well sure, but Jones wasn't referring to a HORSE, Jones was talking about male person.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:39 PM
Dec 2017

We all know that horses prance.. but men attempting to flaunt their masculinity while running for the Senate should not be prancing.

That is the difference.. see that?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
102. He was riding a horse, "prancing" across the "stage" in his "cowboy suit." Horses prance.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:42 PM
Dec 2017

This is about him being a fake, not about being feminine.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
117. He was riding a horse, "prancing" across a "stage" in his "cowboy suit."
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:40 PM
Dec 2017

Horses prance. And PEOPLE on horses might prance. The word itself is not feminine.

Dictionary.com

verb (used without object), pranced, prancing.
1.
to spring from the hind legs; to move by springing, as a horse.
2.
to ride on a horse doing this.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
119. So he was talking about dressage horsemanship? Okay, if you say so, LOL.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:42 PM
Dec 2017

Love seeing excuses for homophobia here. Really progressive.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
121. Prancing has long been a dogwhistle to denigrate gay men. Its rarely used, but hey it works in
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:46 PM
Dec 2017

Alabama- so I guess that’s all that matters? Try t on a national stage and see what happens.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
15. opposite of masculinity
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:27 PM
Dec 2017

does not have to mean "feminine", I think it just take away form the "macho" act and shows him as the puny man that he is. Sort of barks but doesn't bite.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
30. didn't think once homosexual until you brought it up
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

I took it as this phony tool of a person who is acting like a kid on Halloween at a talent show

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. The phony part has nothing to do w prancing though. The extra punch that works on possible RWers is
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:36 PM
Dec 2017

Adding the feminine aspect. Ya there for a reason, and it worked but, not loving it.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
82. Prancing has to do with horses, not women. In your effort to defend gay men, you're insulting women.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:26 AM
Dec 2017
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
113. WOW. Youre totally ignorant of the history of using read feminine attributes to diminish people? So
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:29 PM
Dec 2017

much so, that apparently you think I invented this idea?
Somehow I doubt that’s what you actually believe.

But fuck this nonsense about me insulting women. Such bullshit. Same stupid argument racists use to silence people talking about racism. Must be very proud of yourself. Ick.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
118. Cowboy suit? LOL. Stop pretending to be having an honest conversation. You know it was prancing and
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:41 PM
Dec 2017

You know it was NOT about the horse. That’s ridiculous. And you’re a waste of time with these games. Later.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
81. The word is appropriate because its primary use is to describe the gait of a horse.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:25 AM
Dec 2017

And neither that word, nor "stage" nor "cowboy suit" imply anything feminine.

brush

(53,776 posts)
84. You're reading the wrong thing into it. Jones called him out on his ridiculous cowboy outfit and...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:07 AM
Dec 2017

Last edited Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

little pop gun.

It was appropriate and effective.

Why would you have a problem with exposing that fraud for what he is — a poser of masculinity who is far from it as you can get — a pedophile?

brush

(53,776 posts)
97. Oh, like that story of football players has something to do with pedophile Moore.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

I couldn't disagree Moore.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
140. Pleading ignorance again? It is there.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:58 PM
Dec 2017

"You going to get out here, and you're going to dance around and prance around like you're a ballerina, that goes to show you,"

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
141. So is the word "dance" feminine, too? I get the word ballerina, because that is the feminine
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:01 PM
Dec 2017

form of the word -- but there are male dancers and female dancers. The word dance itself isn't female. And neither is the word prance.


dictionary.com

ballerina
[bal-uh-ree-nuh]

1.
a principal female dancer in a ballet company.
Compare prima ballerina.
2.
any female ballet dancer.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #141)

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
106. That would be a stereotype to suggest all men who prance around are gay, but it does point out
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:16 PM
Dec 2017

that he is a pretender and makes fun of his pathetic attempt at a he-man image.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
109. That stereotype has been around a long time. Its weord so many never heard of it. I guess going to
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:13 PM
Dec 2017

Fashion school I notice it more than the average person. Weird.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
123. You hear the word "prancing" a lot at Fashion school? Weird. I probably know
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:50 PM
Dec 2017

as many gay men as you do, since my father, his partner, and most of their friends are gay. But none of them "prance" or talk about prancing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
126. Directed toward gay students there? Yep. Also in films books movies and TV shows.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:54 PM
Dec 2017

You know what’s weird? Pretending to think it was referring to a horse, or that people AT fashion school would use gay dog whistles- that is weird. And dishonest.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
127. Who do you know who is directing that word at gay students at the Fashion School?
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:55 PM
Dec 2017

Other students? Faculty?

Maybe it isn't the dog whistle you're convinced it is.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
129. I just said it was not people AT school. Am done w your gaslighting nonsense- just like the GOP....
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:58 PM
Dec 2017

We see you.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
137. You said "I guess going to Fashion school I notice it more than the average person. Weird."
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:33 PM
Dec 2017

So I thought you were hearing it at Fashion school, and I asked you who was saying it. You still haven't answered, other than to say you've heard it in books and movies.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
138. You didnt realize fashion schools (as well as the industry)generally have a large contingent of gay
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:53 PM
Dec 2017

men? This is news to you? If it is, it’s kind of amazing you have opinions to share about homophobia. At least you admit again and again you’re coming at this from a place of deep ignorance. That’s interesting.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
147. That's not what I said. I asked you who was saying it at the Fashion school, because that's
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:11 PM
Dec 2017

what I thought you meant when you said you "noticed" it there. I still don't know what you meant.

But I hope you realize that gay men are also doctors, lawyers, physicists and police officers. There are gay men in every profession.

jalan48

(13,863 posts)
29. I have a feeling Doug Jones used a word he thought would resonate with Alabama voters.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

Looks like his judgement was sound on this one.

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
34. It pulled the legs out from under Moore's masculinity act.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:28 PM
Dec 2017

So, yeah... it worked.

Jones won without having to be more 'manly'. I think that is progress.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. It did for exactly that reason. It's just not something I love hearing....
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:37 PM
Dec 2017

But I agree it added something to the accusation of him being a fake.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. We both know a dozen words linked to females that are used to shame men.... after last year,
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:08 PM
Dec 2017

Do we really need to be spelling them out again?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
45. well if you find one that doesn't denigrate the feminine, let me know.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:12 PM
Dec 2017

I am alien to the idea that a lot of "macho" is a great attribute for a law maker. It usually impairs a person's judgment. But yeah, that worked on a few of THAT audience.

dchill

(38,484 posts)
47. Well, to me, "macho" is a synonym for "masculinely stupid."
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:17 PM
Dec 2017

The word I'm looking for would just emphasize that in describing these hollow jerks.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
93. Its intreating we have to try to make up new words - weve relied on the denigration of others too
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:03 PM
Dec 2017

Long.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
98. Sort of in the same way that 'strutting' might suggest the masculine.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:03 PM
Dec 2017

"Trudging across the stage" might also suggest a masculine figure, while "floating across the stage" might suggest a feminine figure. Also 'dainty' or 'willowy' suggest the feminine. 'dapper' suggests the masculine..

Like that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
111. Is it me or are several people playing dumb here? Now theyre saying hes talking about a horse?
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:16 PM
Dec 2017

Jesus, it’s mildly homophobic. And not really what we want to hear from leaders on the national stage. But I know a lot of people want to cater to the fragile egos of Trump supporters... no matter how alienating that is to the base.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
149. Moore rode a horse to the voting polling place, but I don't there was a horse on the stage with him
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 08:53 PM
Dec 2017

and his tiny gun, of which Jones was making fun of.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
77. Yep. Moore did his act to show how strong, powerful and manly
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:07 AM
Dec 2017

he is. Moore did that to appeal to the "sexist assholes."

Doug pointed out that the masculinity was an act, that it wasn't real.

Doug Jones was right to do it.

It wasn't so much feminizing as honest.

I'm a woman. I don't prance. No one would ever describe me as prancing. I don't really see the word as particularly feminine, yet it detracts from the image of masculinity. It is more a word that suggests dishonesty or pretense or someone who is acting in a precious way. As I recall, "precious" was a well loved word in Alabama.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
87. This female does not consider "prancing" or "costume"
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:11 AM
Dec 2017

as feminine words. Horses prance, dancers prance, reindeer prance and lots of different people wear costumes.

I thought it was just ridicule and do not consider that feminizing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
89. I guess no one remembers its use to (negatively) imply homosexuality?
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:36 PM
Dec 2017

Jeeze I guess I watch to many old movies, LOL.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
95. I thought he looked foolish and silly, and
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dec 2017

Of course a threat waving that gun around. Neither femininity or homosexuality came to mind. I prefer idiotic. I think he has verified that with the refusal to concede.

 

mentalslavery

(463 posts)
88. Well...we did not learn anything...the point is...it works...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:57 AM
Dec 2017

Play on the field! Repuks are emotional thinkers..you can only change there opinions by making them feel bad about their current opinion. Don't address information...criticize and ridicule them.

The van jones approach might feel good....but it sucks....ie-does not work

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
92. Yeah , its an approach that resonates with sexist homophobic troglodytes - youre right.....
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:02 PM
Dec 2017

And the next logical thought is- what could go wrong with that? Outside of Alabama, out in the liberal sphere we live in?

 

mentalslavery

(463 posts)
104. Yep.. its a way to trick the bama's into voting democratic
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 03:08 PM
Dec 2017

and we would not use it outside of bama.....play on the field! Thats what that means....

catbyte

(34,376 posts)
94. I don't see how using the word "prancing" is feminizing him & as a woman I'm
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:13 PM
Dec 2017

very sensitive to using female-as-insult. The way Jones used it illustrated how phony Moore's whole shtick was.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
100. Of course such use of language is immature, but there is a long history of
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:33 PM
Dec 2017

using the contrary, in some cases, to belittle someone -or to suggest something contrary to how they might perceive themselves.

Example - It no insult to suggest a female is feminine but to describe a female as masculine in some way could be offensive, yes?
Same in vice-versa.

jrthin

(4,835 posts)
103. I don't see any word or term in this
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 02:50 PM
Dec 2017

Article referring to or inferring anything female specific. Men pran

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
108. Saying that a man is"wearing a cowboy suit" is not feminizing. It is reducing the target
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:31 PM
Dec 2017

to a child.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
115. I meant the use of prancing.... its an old homophobic dog whistle.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:33 PM
Dec 2017

But I guess a lot of people here LIKE it enough to pretend it referred to the horse and not the man.

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
122. I guess I'm not up on my homophobic pejoratives. I haven't been around homophobes since I left home
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:48 PM
Dec 2017

more than 40 years ago. The prancing sounded like exactly what a small boy in a cowboy suit would do when he was pretending to ride a horse. I did it myself. Jones infantilized him.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
124. Sadly, Ive heard them a lot- even in NYC- because I went to fashion school and yeah it is a dog
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 05:51 PM
Dec 2017

Whistle. And now I’ve been accused of insulting women and hanging out w homophobes. This is some twisted shit. BTW, you probably know some homophobes and if you went to Alabama or where you came from you’d hear that shit again. Thank god it’s a lot less than it was 20-30 years ago. But it’s still there.

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
131. bettyellen, there are two equally valid (unless we ask Doug Jones for clarification) interpretations
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:03 PM
Dec 2017

of the phrase. I'm just going with my initial reaction to reading it. You are going with yours. Neither of us is wrong, we just reacted differently.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
132. I was responding to the connection between feminizing and infantilizing a person-
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:06 PM
Dec 2017

Words and their history are important. We just went through a year of putting up w racist, sexist and homophobic dog whistles, it matters greatly to many of us.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
133. You have multiple progressives right here disagreeing with your assertion
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:14 PM
Dec 2017

that Doug Jones was employing a homophobic dog whistle.

And you've provided no evidence but your opinion.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
134. You jumped the shark a while back by pretending he was referring to the horse...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:17 PM
Dec 2017

And since then you’ve pretended gay students use it and my argument against dogwhistles are some sort of insult toward women I invented. Keep at it, you get funnier w every fake argument you post.

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
135. No bettyellen, pnwmom is right. We are not pretending, we are not dismissing the validity of
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:24 PM
Dec 2017

feminism, we are not being homophobic. We just don't think doug Joes was being even slightly homophobic. He was calling Moore a childish man.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
145. Youre arguing your points honestly, and dont hear the dog whistle.
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:09 PM
Dec 2017

However it is dishonest to suggest the description was about the horse. Or that I’m insulting women by mentioning that it’s an old dog whistle that denigrates men by ascribing to them behavior traditionally assigned to women. There are lots of them. Not sure why anyone would pretend it is not a thing, culturally. But it’s either deeply ignorant or dishonest.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
136. I did NOT pretend or say or hint that gay students used it. YOU said you heard it at the Fashion
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:30 PM
Dec 2017

school, and I ASKED you who was using the word there, students or faculty or who?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
139. You suggested that students or teachers were using the words. Good lord, have you ever been to a
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:55 PM
Dec 2017

Campus in a city? Like ever? There are lots of other people around the community. Imagine that!

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
11. Language matters. Republicans have been experts at this for years.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:21 PM
Dec 2017

Lottery winnings are taxed. This tax on unearned income seems fair to most people. Another tax on unearned income is the estate tax, but when it is called a "death tax" by the republicans it sounds like an unfair tax.

Environmental and workplace regulations that ensure safety are good. But call them "job killing regulations" and the same rules become bad.

Anti-choice for women becomes "pro-life" and those who are not anti-choice are "baby killers."

You can't use the n-word anymore, but you can call them "thugs" and everyone knows what you mean.

And on and on, including dog whistle language.

progree

(10,904 posts)
24. "religious freedom" - when referring to the "freedom" to discriminate on religious grounds
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:10 PM
Dec 2017

Just another one to add to your excellent list.

Also "right to work" when destroying the right to collectively bargain.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
6. So . . .
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:03 PM
Dec 2017

. . . how about some similar descriptions of Trump's performances??

"strutting"
"prancing"
"raving"
"preening"
"like a carnival barker"
"like a mean teenaged girl"
"like a 2-year-old pitching a fit"

Anyone?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
58. Tina Fey has it right. "Mean Girls" are a particular feminine breed unto themselves.
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:01 PM
Dec 2017

Yes there are "mean boys," usually characterized by bullying and physically threatening behavior. But speaking as a former teenage girl, mother of one and teacher of many, I see subtlety as pretty much lost on boys at this age. If boys instinctively have it, it doesn't work for them until after high school. Girls, if so inclined, can begin being "mean girls" as early as preschool. Maybe a defense for not being as physically strong, although some little girls CAN also bully both girls AND boys, in some cases.

Piasladic

(1,160 posts)
10. Prancing isn't a verb
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:14 PM
Dec 2017

EX:

Prancing is fun.

Prancing is a noun; is is the verb.

“Prancing around on a stage in cowboy suit.”

noun, preposition phrase, prepositional phrase = fragment

japple

(9,823 posts)
26. Alrighty now. You go to your room right now, smarty underpants. And BTW, you
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:13 PM
Dec 2017

owe me a new keyboard...stomp....stomp...gets rag to clean up beer spew....

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
21. It really is a sentence fragment - not a sentence
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:52 PM
Dec 2017

Prancing is the present participle of the verb "prance".

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
96. He's prancing on stage...
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:50 PM
Dec 2017

Sure looks like a verb from where I see it... Am I wrong?

Or am I just prancing around the edges of grammar?

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
14. When he deliberately hurt his horse Sassy
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:26 PM
Dec 2017

in order to appear macho and enhance his "tough cowboy" image I say let him have it with both barrels! Is that the correct cowboy, gun toting lingo? I don't know anything about horses but those who do have said that he was hurting that poor animal and that makes him is a very cruel, abusive bastard in my opinion (on top of being a pedophile)!

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
19. I'd have called it a "Cowboy Costume", but yes, brilliant way to knock Crazy Roy down a peg or two
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:46 PM
Dec 2017

Also, the context of that statement was that Jones has no intention of killing the second amendment, and that he can be seen with his gun in a deer stand or duck blind and not prancing around stage in a cowboy suit.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
33. The whole idea that Alabamans are impressed with cowboy outfits
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:25 PM
Dec 2017

... where does that come from? There are no cowboys in Alabama and I doubt if there ever were any. You want see a cowboy, go out to Texas or New Mexico maybe.

People in Alabama are either urban, suburban or farmers in the rural counties. It's like most other states in the USA, with few exceptions. The Gulf Coast area may be slightly more relaxed because it's a vacation spot with casinos and resort hotels. However it's only relaxed for vacationers not the people who live and work there.

Roy Moore's whole schtick with the cowboy hat, the gun and his sad, pathetic horse was really ridiculous. If I lived in Alabama I'd be outraged. Instead I can just laugh at the guy and be glad that he lost.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
38. there are plenty of ranchers/cowboys throughout the south east
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:41 PM
Dec 2017

most of the western cowboys originated from those areas if they weren't Spanish/Mexican. having said that, Roy Moore is no cowboy.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
31. you're right, ridicule has its place
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:21 PM
Dec 2017

HRC used skepticism, ignoring Trump's nonsense, or turning a "fish eye" when he would blurt something absurd.

Her handlers should have taken it one step further: ridicule.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
67. I wish Hillary said what Elizabeth Warren did about his "business skills"
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:12 PM
Dec 2017

He could have made more money if he just put his inheritance in an index fund.

He went bankrupt running a business where addicts come in and demand to give you their money.

and so on.

He is the Kim Kardashian of politics (no offense to someone who got famous from self-made pornos).

Rhiannon12866

(205,313 posts)
46. I remember what David Letterman said about Bush* dressing up as a cowboy
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:13 PM
Dec 2017

He said if he wanted to wear a costume, he should change it up, a cowboy one day and maybe Sherlock Holmes the next...

Tactical Peek

(1,208 posts)
72. "patriotism is not dressing up in a flight suit and prancing around on the deck of a... carrier"
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 01:45 AM
Dec 2017

Wesley Clark, 2004


''To me, patriotism is not dressing up in a flight suit and prancing around on the deck of an aircraft carrier,'' General Clark says, a reference to the president's appearance on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln in May to announce the end of major military action in Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/15/us/2004-campaign-stump-speech-gen-wesley-k-clark-rising-above-politics-high.html




yurbud

(39,405 posts)
107. Damn! And of course Bush wasn't even right about the end of major military action
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:11 PM
Dec 2017

taking over was the easy part.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
85. Isn't a lot like what Don John the Con does when he names people
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:41 AM
Dec 2017

only done better
nice job Senator Jones

144. Is he still a dem
Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:08 PM
Dec 2017

Some of the statements jones has made since winning make me wonder which party he represents.

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