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Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:40 PM

A new detail in the Florida shooting exposes a big hole in the good guy with a gun theory.

Sheriff: armed officer at Florida school “never went in” even as he heard gunfire

A new detail in the Florida shooting exposes a big hole in the “good guy with a gun” theory.
By German Lopez

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/22/17042616/florida-shooting-school-resource-officer

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This is more than just another horrific detail about the mass shooting that killed 17 people; it also directly contradicts the notion that simply putting a bunch of armed personnel in schools will stop shooters — the “good guy with a gun” theory.

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The latest revelations about the officer’s failure to act in the Florida shooting are a devastating example of this theory not working as planned. But the evidence suggests this shouldn’t be too surprising. Even when people are armed, they often fail to properly respond to a mass shooting.

Stopping a mass shooting is hard, even with firearm training

Multiple simulations have demonstrated that most people, if placed in an active shooter situation while armed, will not be able to stop the situation, and may in fact do little more than get themselves killed in the process.

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The Daily Show also put this theory to the test in another — more comedic — simulation segment. Jordan Klepper, who was a correspondent with the show at the time, trained on the basics of using a firearm and got a concealed carry permit that was valid in 30 states. Then he participated in mass shooting simulations to see how he would hold up in such a scenario.

He failed — miserably. In his final test, which simulated a school shooting, he shot an unarmed civilian, and he was shot multiple times by the active shooters and even law enforcement, who mistook him for the bad guy. He never took down the active shooters.

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Reply A new detail in the Florida shooting exposes a big hole in the good guy with a gun theory. (Original post)
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 OP
Wellstone ruled Feb 2018 #1
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bunt homer Feb 2018 #3
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:44 PM

1. Everyone who thinks a armed Teacher or School Employee has to read this story.

 

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:47 PM

2. armed and trained SRO engaged at Columbine too

'Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. “Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me.”'

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html

Engage or not with the shooter... outcome likely to be the same, in the past, in the present, and in the dystopian future that iDJT imagines.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:48 PM

3. "Good/Bad/Gun" Theory was Never Taken Seriously

 

Except among the Fox groupies. Unfortunately, some of thos groupies are in Congress.

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Response to bunt homer (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:41 PM

4. Right. Just more gun zealot sophistry.

But while we're on the subject, let's remember those who've died heroically while trying to save others from these attacks.

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