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elleng

(130,865 posts)
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:04 PM May 2018

Democrats: Don't Take the Bait on Impeachment by Adam Schiff

Representative Adam B. Schiff, a former federal prosecutor, is the ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

'In 2010, as a member of the House Judiciary Committee, I led the effort to impeach a federal judge from New Orleans named Thomas Porteous Jr. He was accused of multiple acts of corruption, some of which preceded his appointment to the federal bench, and making false statements during his confirmation hearing. After a lengthy impeachment process in the House, the Senate convicted him on all four charges and removed him from office.

Impeachment and removal for federal officials is an extraordinarily rare event. Judge Porteous was only the eighth federal official impeached and convicted in our nation’s history. As we investigated and drafted his articles of impeachment, we faced the consequential decision of whether to charge Judge Porteous with conduct before he took office.

We had to go back nearly a century to the 1912 trial and conviction of Judge Robert Archibald to find a precedent. After much consideration, we decided to charge him not only for actions while he was on the federal bench, but also for a corrupt scheme he entered into with a bail bond company while a state court judge, and for the false statements he made during his Senate confirmation process.

We determined that because Judge Porteous was accused of taking cash and gifts from lawyers whose cases he presided over in state court, there was little question that such actions were incompatible with his responsibility as a federal judge. How could someone in his courtroom be confident of a fair trial, knowing he had solicited and accepted bribes while a judge?

In voting overwhelmingly to convict Judge Porteous on every count, the Senate established the precedent that a federal official can be removed for conduct committed before assuming office.

Because of the Porteous case, it is clear that if President Trump participated in a conspiracy to defraud the United States during the campaign by colluding with the Russians, there is a historical basis for the Senate to remove him from office. It is even more clear that if he committed the offense of obstruction of justice while in office, that would provide a legal basis for removal.

Yet, one of the most important lessons I learned during the Porteous case was that the legal standard for what constitutes a high crime or misdemeanor is less important than the practical and political standard that must be met in any impeachment case. And while that political standard cannot be easily or uniformly defined, I think in the present context it means the following: Was the president’s conduct so incompatible with the office he holds that Democratic and Republican members of Congress can make the case to their constituents that they were obligated to remove him? . .

During the course of our investigation in the House Intelligence Committee, we have found troubling evidence of both collusion and obstruction of justice. The special counsel, Robert Mueller, has no doubt seen even more than we have, but his investigation is not complete, and our efforts continue as well. There is much more work to do before any of us can say whether the evidence rises to the level that we should consider a remedy beyond the one that voters will render at the ballot box.

Given the evidence that is already public, I can well understand why the president fears impeachment and seeks to use the false claim that Democrats are more interested in impeachment than governing to rally his base. Democrats should not take the bait. Let President Trump arouse his voters as he will, while Democrats continue to focus on the economy, family and a return to basic decency. And in the meantime, all Americans should reserve judgment until the investigations have run their course.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/opinion/adam-schiff-democrats-impeachment.html?

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elocs

(22,566 posts)
1. Too many on the Left are approaching the election like there is no way Trump could win.
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:12 PM
May 2018

And that's one of the reasons he won the first time.
Impeachment with no chance of conviction is like sex with no chance of orgasm.
Trump is great at playing the victim and this will give him the perfect opportunity and will totally fire up his base. Is that the goal? To fire up and motivate his base?
How about Democrats standing FOR something rather than just being against Trump?

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
6. Democrats have GOT to start campaigning on Republicans' cruel, corporate voting history
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:08 PM
May 2018

Ca49 in 2016 is a perfect example. Doug Applegate's single ad against Darrell Issa, informing his constituents that Issa voted against the 911 First Responders, brought Issa's 20% margin to less than 1% and created anti Issa tea leaves that led Issa to "retire"in 2018.

Democrats need to run against their Republican opponents and, if the incumbent has slinked away in 2018, then run against
the Republican Party votes. They've voted as a block for this godawful tax bill, to take away people's healthcare, to raise the national debt by trillions of free money to foreign(80%) corporations that will threaten everybody's social security, medicare. Republicans
have voted en masse to put a judge on the Supreme Court who adjudicated an employee must freeze to death to protect his employer's property. to approve an EPA Director who openly fights against Americans right to clean air and clean water,

The list of atrocious votes of these Republican incumbents and the Republican Party is endless. To win Democrats need to inform and hammer how completely united the Republicans have been in voting against Americans.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
2. Schiff is absolutely correct. He is not against impeachment. He is against campaigning on
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:33 PM
May 2018

impeachment before Mueller's investigation is complete. Democratic candidates need to stand for policies Americans will vote for, and be ready for impeachment when Mueller presents his findings or is fired.

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