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Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 07:06 AM Jun 2018

Your rage at Trump is justified: Don't let scolds like the New York Times shame you for it

There’s a myth that goodness exists independent of rage. It’s a lie to keep those being held down from rising up

When they go low, we go high. But even at an elevated altitude, there's plenty of breathing space to vent. Justifiable outrage isn't rude. And beware of anyone who tries to silence you by suggesting otherwise.

It's really been something to watch staunchly decorous institutions like The New York Times flail to grasp the profound repulsiveness emanating from the current administration. It's the aristocratic friend who has fallen on hard times, eating macaroni and cheese off the best china, naively wondering why their venerable family name doesn't impress the person taking their job application at Walmart. This, after all, is the same paper that recently went ahead and presumed that owning a Kate Spade handbag was "a coming-of-age ritual for a generation of American women."

On Wednesday, the paper of record took to task the grotesque national tone in yet another of its quaint attempts to, you know, look at it from all sides. Under the headline "In Trump’s America, the Conversation Turns Ugly and Angry, Starting at the Top," the subhead that ran Wednesday read "Trump rails against undocumented immigrants as 'murderers and thieves' who want to 'infest our country.'" It added, "Some of his opponents respond with rage." (The subhead was later softened to "The politics of rage that animated President Trump’s political rise now dominate the national conversation." )

The piece, by Peter Baker and Katie Rogers, goes on to report that "Mr. Trump’s coarse discourse increasingly seems to inspire opponents to respond with vituperative words of their own. Whether it be Robert De Niro’s four-letter condemnation at the Tony Awards or a congressional intern who shouted the same word at Mr. Trump when he visited the Capitol this week, the president has generated so much anger among his foes that some are crossing boundaries that he himself shattered long ago." And it noted "the trading of crude insults on both sides." An example of the "both sides" rhetoric was the Duluth protestor holding a sign that read "“My Grandpa Didn’t Fight Nazis for This." Oh my stars, my delicate sensibilities were not ready for that.


More: https://www.salon.com/2018/06/22/your-rage-at-trump-is-justified-dont-let-scolds-like-the-new-york-times-shame-you-for-it/
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Your rage at Trump is justified: Don't let scolds like the New York Times shame you for it (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jun 2018 OP
We're seeing cultic defenses at work, it's really the only defense possible for Trump ck4829 Jun 2018 #1
Rage is good (vs anger). It is outwardly directed. Anger is toxic because it eats away inside. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #2
it's not anger, it's righteous outrage eShirl Jun 2018 #3
How can someone with a heart and a brain not be outraged? Martin Eden Jun 2018 #4
Damn skippy! marble falls Jun 2018 #5
Use anger to drive action dalton99a Jun 2018 #6
This same thing is going on each time the MSM tries to find meaning randr Jun 2018 #7
Anger jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #8
Exactly. I canceled NYT because of Peter Baker months ago american_ideals Jun 2018 #9
We are completely justified.. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #10
My dad fought in WWII. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #11
Trump has no conscience. True Blue American Jun 2018 #13
Mine did too. True Blue American Jun 2018 #14
Wonder what all those True Blue American Jun 2018 #12
So at what point are we allowed to be outraged? PatSeg Jun 2018 #15
Well said and thank you for your post. I especially liked the macaroni and cheese off the chinna c-rational Jun 2018 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #17

ck4829

(35,072 posts)
1. We're seeing cultic defenses at work, it's really the only defense possible for Trump
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 07:13 AM
Jun 2018

They are saying don't trust your mind and perception, and reject gut instincts and feelings. NYT needs to stop playing the game, stop with the both sidesism too.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
4. How can someone with a heart and a brain not be outraged?
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 07:47 AM
Jun 2018

Although it matters how that outrage is expressed and harnessed to produce change, the NYT piece totally misses the point, to wit:

Failure to express outrage is unhealthy to a person inwardly and it is unhealthy outwardly to our democracy because that failure amounts to tacit acceptance if not endorsement of what is truly outrageous and destructive.

randr

(12,412 posts)
7. This same thing is going on each time the MSM tries to find meaning
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 08:33 AM
Jun 2018

in Trump statements or Melania's apparel.
They are saying exactly what they mean loud and clear, no interpretation needed.
It is time to call a pig a pig.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
9. Exactly. I canceled NYT because of Peter Baker months ago
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:28 AM
Jun 2018

Peter Baker is the king of NYT bothsidesism.

Paul Krugman was talking about bothsidesism in ** 1999 **.

Do the NYT politics reporters not read their own paper? It’s unbelievable.

PatrickforO

(14,573 posts)
11. My dad fought in WWII.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:38 AM
Jun 2018

And I am enraged by Trump and his disgusting, corrupt, treasonous administration.

Those little children...God, how can Trump preside over something like that? It's funny - the guy is doing everything he can to dehumanize the immigrants, the Democrats, and basically everyone else but white people. But it is him who seems lacking in basic humanity.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
14. Mine did too.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

He was a Republican. He would despise these thugs today.

His life was built on helping others. Neighbors, Friends all told me that.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
12. Wonder what all those
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jun 2018

Evangelicals have to say about Jesus Righteous Anger when he threw the Money changers out of the Temple for cheating people? They might want to think about that!

PatSeg

(47,427 posts)
15. So at what point are we allowed to be outraged?
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jun 2018

Do we wait until American citizens are hidden away in military run detention centers?

Do we keep our anger controlled and subdued until elections are canceled?

Do pull back our outrage until the entire nation devolves into third world conditions?

Or do we wait until every democracy on the planet falls and is replaced by autocratic rule?

I am all for civil discourse and I don't believe we should become what we are opposing, but this is an emergency situation and outrage is not only permissible, it is required.

c-rational

(2,592 posts)
16. Well said and thank you for your post. I especially liked the macaroni and cheese off the chinna
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jun 2018

plate part. We too cancelled our Times subscription after too much equivalence. It was the headline question "Is Drump redefining the presidency". No he is trashing it. Yesterday a super at one of my client buildings says we should show respect for the man in office. I had a difficult time swallowing this. Like the army, one respects the rank, but the man in the suit needs to earn that respect, and this dumpster has not. He is only president to the deplorables. Every other President that I have known has always reached out to all Americans on both sides of the aisles and people of all stripes. This travesty of a man, a racist whose father was arrested at a KKK rally makes no attempt, and he is not called on it by the macaroni and china set. They can pound salt.

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