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dalton99a

(81,404 posts)
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:13 PM Oct 2019

How Italians Became 'White'

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html

How Italians Became ‘White’
By Brent Staples
OCT. 12, 2019

Congress envisioned a white, Protestant and culturally homogeneous America when it declared in 1790 that only “free white persons, who have, or shall migrate into the United States” were eligible to become naturalized citizens. The calculus of racism underwent swift revision when waves of culturally diverse immigrants from the far corners of Europe changed the face of the country.

As the historian Matthew Frye Jacobson shows in his immigrant history “Whiteness of a Different Color,” the surge of newcomers engendered a national panic and led Americans to adopt a more restrictive, politicized view of how whiteness was to be allocated. Journalists, politicians, social scientists and immigration officials embraced the habit, separating ostensibly white Europeans into “races.” Some were designated “whiter” — and more worthy of citizenship — than others, while some were ranked as too close to blackness to be socially redeemable. The story of how Italian immigrants went from racialized pariah status in the 19th century to white Americans in good standing in the 20th offers a window onto the alchemy through which race is constructed in the United States, and how racial hierarchies can sometimes change.

Darker skinned southern Italians endured the penalties of blackness on both sides of the Atlantic. In Italy, Northerners had long held that Southerners — particularly Sicilians — were an “uncivilized” and racially inferior people, too obviously African to be part of Europe.

Racist dogma about Southern Italians found fertile soil in the United States. As the historian Jennifer Guglielmo writes, the newcomers encountered waves of books, magazines and newspapers that “bombarded Americans with images of Italians as racially suspect.” They were sometimes shut out of schools, movie houses and labor unions, or consigned to church pews set aside for black people. They were described in the press as “swarthy,” “kinky haired” members of a criminal race and derided in the streets with epithets like “dago,” “guinea” — a term of derision applied to enslaved Africans and their descendants — and more familiarly racist insults like “white nigger” and “nigger wop.”


Italian-Americans were often used as cheap labor on the docks of New Orleans at the turn of the last century.
Library of Congress



Lynchers in 1891 storming the New Orleans city jail, where they killed 11 Italian-Americans accused in the fatal shooting of Chief Hennessy.
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Collimator

(1,639 posts)
1. Thanks for posting this.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:30 PM
Oct 2019

I read the book, "How the Irish Became White" about 20 years ago and it was an important-- if painful--eye-opener for me about the social construct of "whiteness" in America.

Growing up, I was very proud of my Italian heritage and was able to make light of most of the stereotypes associated with my ethnic group. Only on two occasions have I ever felt a genuine sense of prejudice against Italians.

Still, I knew some of the history of what the Italian immigrants experienced, and it has continued to amaze me that family members can solemnly acknowledge those injustices and then go on to express ugly attitudes towards black people and people of other ethnic groups.

The saddest aspect of becoming white in America is internalizing the pervasive racism that has smeared this country's aspirational declarations. That is NOT a heritage that I am pleased to claim.


P.S. I just clicked on the link and saw the associated photo. I wonder how some of my family members would react if they saw the image with a different caption suggesting the people in it were of some other ethnic group?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. A few years after my father died, my mother married "Luigi" a second generation Italian...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:35 PM
Oct 2019

who remembered the times when Italians were not welcomed, but shrimp were cheap because "white people" in New York hadn't discovered them yet.

"Papa" never did learn English very well, but he and all his kids managed to become professionals or artisans and did quite well. He insisted that they adopt the language and ways of their new country, since Europe was falling apart and they may never go back.

Some of them looked more Jewish than Italian to the casual observer, which may have put them a rung up in some cases, but it is still a sick reminder of how we classify people. At the same time, if your name ended in a vowel, you couldn't get into the best law firms, brokerage houses, or other centers of power.

But, around that time the greatest Mayor of NYC, an Italian, was elected. Go figure.

Plenty of Irish have the same histories from around that time. We have rarely been as welcoming of immigrants as we like to think we are.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
3. They were said to be criminally inclined as proven by their physiognomy. And they were imprisoned!
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:43 PM
Oct 2019

An old criminology book I found on internet I think depicted drawings of Southern Italian heads, measurements, and contended that they were more primitive in nature than those from more northern or western regions.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
4. A blond blue-eyed Italian cousin endured signficant 'guinea' slurs that left a
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:43 PM
Oct 2019

mark on him, not that many years ago, in upscale northern NJ town.

[Italian last name, some 'Sicil' genes, fair number of blonds in coastal Sicily, to go with his natural blond Mother]

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
11. Sicily has been invaded so many times.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:31 AM
Oct 2019

And by many different groups. The genome is probably a remarkable mixed bag of possibilities.

And speaking of invasion, thanks to the far-reaching efforts of the Roman Empire--who both sent soldiers "there" and brought back captives to their home--folks from all sorts of regions who want to project themselves as "pure" anything are ignorant as well as deluded.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
12. My son and his wife spent their last vacation in Sicily about a year and a half ago.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 08:24 AM
Oct 2019

They wanted to visit the small town where his wife's [wife is blue-eyed blond] father was from, about a third of the way along the Southern coast of Sicily. They discovered that the languages in the different towns along the coast were still different from one another - a product of long ago invasions and minimal immigration into those towns. We were all surprised at the differentiation being so marked in short distances. I knew that my maternal grandmother who was from Messina, and my grandfather from the Abruzzi/upland Pescara, spoke basically different 'italian' languages.

Son and his wife thoroughly enjoyed that vacation. My dds recently took a 2 week vacation on a Rick Steve's tour of small Italian towns.

My family, over the years has taken several trips to Rome, Venice, Florence, Pescara].

[Empedocles the greek phisosopher, was from Sicily, Agrigento, on the SSW coast. ]

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
5. A friend of mine once heard the first Godfather movie described as
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 02:43 PM
Oct 2019

"The heartwarming story of an Italian who married a white woman."

mitch96

(13,871 posts)
6. Lots of anti Italian sentiment in my Western Pa family..
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 04:02 PM
Oct 2019

My Uncle just would get livid crazy if we kids mentioned anything Italian.. When pressed he could not tell us why , just fill in the blank racist/anti-who you hate rhetoric. He was so nuts that when my cousin married an Italian American boy he disowned her. Never spoke to her again.
Years later I was curious after seeing a program about organizing unions in the coal mines and steel mills. Turns out (1890's) the companies would hire unsuspecting newly migrated Italian workers to cross the picket lines...... That was the origin of my uncles hate..... and he did not even know it.. We were a big coal and steel family. Crazy how generational hate just keeps on going... My uncles would say and do things that would make my skin crawl... uffda...
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Lucky Luciano

(11,248 posts)
7. Sad things is that some of the staunchest supporters of fuckface...
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 10:41 PM
Oct 2019

...are working class Italian Americans I grew up with in suburban NYC. They obviously have no idea what their grandparents or great grandparents dealt with...or they are simply assholes now that they have white privilege.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
8. So true.
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 11:37 PM
Oct 2019

My Italian brother-in-law is a hard core Trump supporter. He refuses to acknowledge what his own father went through after he came to the US as a young man.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
13. True Romance.Origins of Sicilians.Dennis Hopper.Christopher Walkin
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:53 AM
Oct 2019
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