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riversedge

(70,205 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:19 PM Dec 2019

One Of USA's Largest Newspapers Drops Editorial Bomb On Trump By Endorsing Impeachment





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Posted on Sat, Dec 7th, 2019 by Sean Colarossi


One Of America’s Largest Newspapers Drops Editorial Bomb On Trump By Endorsing Impeachment



The Los Angeles Times, the third most circulated newspaper in the United States, dropped an editorial bomb on Donald Trump on Saturday, calling for the president’s impeachment and urging Republicans to join in the effort.

In the piece, entitled ‘We’ve seen enough. Trump should be impeached’, the LA Times editorial board writes that they were a “reluctant convert to the impeachment cause,” but that they were given no choice when examining “the overwhelming evidence that Trump perverted U.S. foreign policy for his own political gain.”

More from the stinging LA Times impeachment endorsement:

The House of Representatives’ inquiry into President Trump’s actions on Ukraine is not yet complete, but the evidence produced over the last two months is more than sufficient to persuade us that he should be impeached. Witness after witness testified that the president held up desperately needed, congressionally approved aid to Ukraine to extort a personal political favor for himself. In so doing, Trump flagrantly abused the power of his office.




Holding the president accountable for gross abuse of power is the business of Congress. The House should get on with that business by writing articles of impeachment that make it clear to the Senate — and the American people — why the extraordinary remedy of impeachment is necessary. And Republicans who complain that the process is partisan could easily rectify that situation by abandoning their lockstep loyalty to Trump and looking at the facts.

Republicans, not Democrats, are turning impeachment into a partisan farce

One of the main Republican impeachment arguments is that the process shouldn’t be taken seriously because it’s simply a partisan exercise led by the Democrats to go after Donald Trump....
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One Of USA's Largest Newspapers Drops Editorial Bomb On Trump By Endorsing Impeachment (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2019 OP
BOOM! Finally. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #1
Boston Globe did too. I believe LAT is owned by a conservative (conglomerate)...? hlthe2b Dec 2019 #2
Thanks. regarding B. globe. I did not know that. I think I read that la time riversedge Dec 2019 #4
Yeah, corporate media sucks. For now Jeff Bezos is allowing WaPo to be anti conservative mucifer Dec 2019 #7
LA Times is owned by a biotech billionaire Patrick Soon-Shiong diva77 Dec 2019 #10
It is not in today's edition. I looked when I saw this post. Then it popped up on my cell-phone feed Hekate Dec 2019 #19
In the digital version, it is in today's (Saturday) LA Times diva77 Dec 2019 #26
#FlushTheTurdOnNovemberThird #MakeAmericaFlushAgain riversedge Dec 2019 #3
I'd flush that Orange Turd 10 or 15 times! calimary Dec 2019 #9
Big ones usually take several flushes....... oldsoftie Dec 2019 #14
Flush Trump NBachers Dec 2019 #18
The stench has been unbearable since 2015. warmfeet Dec 2019 #25
LOL. Those are so good! CrispyQ Dec 2019 #29
Republicans who know better are sitting on their hands... Beartracks Dec 2019 #5
Kick dalton99a Dec 2019 #6
Fair trial? Yeah right... robbob Dec 2019 #12
I'm actually surprised. procon Dec 2019 #8
They've done one editorial after another about Trump this year Hekate Dec 2019 #20
The La Times has whacked the taterhead since he was nominated. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #27
Here's the link Zorro Dec 2019 #11
The comments section is discouraging. robbob Dec 2019 #15
Want to go over just to see how many commenters are threatening to "cancel their subscriptions" Jake Stern Dec 2019 #13
"Republicans, not Democrats, are turning impeachment into a partisan farce" Martin Eden Dec 2019 #16
"FAKE NEWS LIBRUL DEEP STATE PINKO DEMOCRATIC RAG!" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #17
The concluding sentence of the LA Times editorial is MUST READ! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2019 #21
Here it is: lastlib Dec 2019 #24
LA Times link OhNo-Really Dec 2019 #22
"The failing LA Times..." Marcuse Dec 2019 #23
Damn, you beat me to it packman Dec 2019 #28

hlthe2b

(102,239 posts)
2. Boston Globe did too. I believe LAT is owned by a conservative (conglomerate)...?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:24 PM
Dec 2019

On edit, it seems it was sold more recently to a Chinese American billionaire, so perhaps not?

riversedge

(70,205 posts)
4. Thanks. regarding B. globe. I did not know that. I think I read that la time
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:29 PM
Dec 2019

when bought out a while ago.....was more conservative now. but my cobwebs are growing....da

#FlushTheTurdOnNovemberThird #MakeAmericaFlushAgain

mucifer

(23,542 posts)
7. Yeah, corporate media sucks. For now Jeff Bezos is allowing WaPo to be anti conservative
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:43 PM
Dec 2019

Just makes me sick that people can have so much power.

I guess it was that way with William Randolph Hearst.

diva77

(7,640 posts)
10. LA Times is owned by a biotech billionaire Patrick Soon-Shiong
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:02 PM
Dec 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong

Patrick Soon-Shiong (born July 29, 1952) is an American surgeon, billionaire businessman, and philanthropist. He is the inventor of the drug Abraxane, which became known for its efficacy against lung, breast, and pancreatic cancer.[1] Soon-Shiong is the founder of NantWorks, a network of health and technology startups;[2] an adjunct professor of surgery and executive director of the Wireless Health Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles; and a visiting professor at the Imperial College London and Dartmouth College.[3][4][5] Soon-Shiong has published more than 100 scientific papers and has more than 230 issued patents worldwide on advancements spanning numerous fields in technology and medicine.[5]

Soon-Shiong is the chairman of the Chan Soon-Shiong Family Foundation, the Chan Soon-Shiong Institute for Advanced Health, and the Healthcare Transformation Institute.[2] He has been a minority owner of the Los Angeles Lakers since 2010, and since June 2018, he has been the owner and Executive Chairman of the Los Angeles Times and The San Diego Union-Tribune.[6] In April 2016, the Los Angeles Times reported him to be one of the highest-paid CEOs of 2015.[7] As of September 2019, Soon-Shiong was estimated by Forbes as having a net worth of US$6.6billion.[1]
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Bravo, LA Times -- however, I wish they had waited for the Sunday edition which is more widely circulated!!

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
19. It is not in today's edition. I looked when I saw this post. Then it popped up on my cell-phone feed
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 05:16 PM
Dec 2019

I assume it will be in the Sunday LA Times -- what we have now is just the electronic version.

Also, for those who express concern and animus toward the ownership of my daily paper: it has been doing splendidly under its new ownership, authoring in-depth articles on topics such as the fate of the Marshall Islanders due to both radiation poisoning and climate change -- and then follow-ups. It is well on its way to regaining its status as a great regional newspaper of national importance.

diva77

(7,640 posts)
26. In the digital version, it is in today's (Saturday) LA Times
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 08:12 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-12-07/impeach-president-trump

Editorial: We’ve seen enough. Trump should be impeached

By The Times Editorial Board
Dec. 7, 2019
6 AM

The House of Representatives’ inquiry into President Trump’s actions on Ukraine is not yet complete, but the evidence produced over the last two months is more than sufficient to persuade us that he should be impeached. Witness after witness testified that the president held up desperately needed, congressionally approved aid to Ukraine to extort a personal political favor for himself. In so doing, Trump flagrantly abused the power of his office.
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But those concerns must yield to the overwhelming evidence that Trump perverted U.S. foreign policy for his own political gain. That sort of misconduct is outrageous and corrosive of democracy. It can’t be ignored by the House, and it merits a full trial by the Senate on whether to remove him from office.
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Finally, we continue to believe that the House should consider an article of impeachment addressing the actions Trump took to thwart or hobble special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation. Mueller did not conclude that Trump committed obstruction of justice, but neither did he exonerate the president. Atty. Gen. William Barr and then-Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein subsequently concluded that the evidence developed by Mueller was “not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.” But in deciding whether Trump’s attempted interference amounted to an impeachable offense, Congress could well come to a different conclusion. And the allegation that Trump obstructed justice in the Mueller investigation involves the same sort of disrespect for legal norms as his defiant actions toward Congress’ inquiry into the Ukraine matter.
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Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
5. Republicans who know better are sitting on their hands...
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:29 PM
Dec 2019

... so that only Democrats are faithfully executing the duties of their office by rightly pursuing an impeachment inquiry; and it is in this manner that Republicans then claim that the whole effort is partisan because -- Look! -- only Democrats are seeking impeachment.

This Republican tactic is indeed VERY partisan.

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dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
6. Kick
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:39 PM
Dec 2019
Any articles of impeachment approved by the House will act as the political equivalent of an indictment, setting forth specific instances of misconduct; the Senate would then convene a trial to decide whether Trump should be expelled from the presidency. It’s obvious that at least one article should cite Trump’s improper approaches to Ukraine, whether they are described as “bribery” (an offense specifically mentioned in the Constitution’s impeachment clause) or abuse of power. A separate article would be warranted for his outrageous efforts to obstruct Congress by keeping information from the impeachment inquiry.

Finally, we continue to believe that the House should consider an article of impeachment addressing the actions Trump took to thwart or hobble special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation. Mueller did not conclude that Trump committed obstruction of justice, but neither did he exonerate the president. Atty. Gen. William Barr and then-Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein subsequently concluded that the evidence developed by Mueller was “not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.” But in deciding whether Trump’s attempted interference amounted to an impeachable offense, Congress could well come to a different conclusion. And the allegation that Trump obstructed justice in the Mueller investigation involves the same sort of disrespect for legal norms as his defiant actions toward Congress’ inquiry into the Ukraine matter.

Trump’s defenders argue that the evidence against him on Ukraine is incomplete and thus inconclusive. They’re correct that some potentially important witnesses — including acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, who reportedly put the hold on the Ukrainian aid, and former national security advisor John Bolton, who reportedly objected to the efforts to persuade Ukraine to conduct the investigations — haven’t testified. But that is because Trump has objected to such testimony. Delaying impeachment because of no-show witnesses would reward Trump’s obstructionism.

Besides, as the president himself tweeted on Thursday: “If you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair trial in the Senate, and so that our country can get back to business.”



robbob

(3,528 posts)
12. Fair trial? Yeah right...
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019

by a group of lock step senators, several of whom have declared, without even reviewing the evidence, that they will support the Dumpster...

procon

(15,805 posts)
8. I'm actually surprised.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:48 PM
Dec 2019

Their views are largely conservative, so this stand for impeachment is all the more telling. I hope this will move their right bent readership to take a new look at impeaching trump.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
20. They've done one editorial after another about Trump this year
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 05:25 PM
Dec 2019

They've done feature articles on LA homelessness that are agonizing in their thoroughness. I referenced the Marshall Islanders upthread -- I knew that all atolls are under threat and will drown soon. I didn't know that America's nuclear testing had poisoned all generations of Marshallese since then.

I really don't care if someone is "conservative" as long as they are honest and humane, and unafraid of telling us the truth.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
27. The La Times has whacked the taterhead since he was nominated.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 08:30 AM
Dec 2019

They endorsed SoS Clinton and Harris in '16...this is not a surprise.

robbob

(3,528 posts)
15. The comments section is discouraging.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 04:27 PM
Dec 2019

Assuming it’s not mostly bots, it seems many people think rRump is doing a great job. One reader actually took issue with the phrase “subverting US foreign policy”, claiming that, since the president SETS foreign policy it is impossible for a president to SUBVERT foreign policy.

Sounds like a short step away from saying the president is the law, and therefore cannot break the law. I believe he literally COULD shoot someone on 5th avenue and his followers wouldn’t bat an eye.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
16. "Republicans, not Democrats, are turning impeachment into a partisan farce"
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 04:29 PM
Dec 2019

THAT is their primary strategy.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
17. "FAKE NEWS LIBRUL DEEP STATE PINKO DEMOCRATIC RAG!"
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 04:42 PM
Dec 2019

(Owned by wealthy conservative billionaires)


Didn't the vast majority of papers endorse Hillary last time? Nowadays half the country regards what they see as a "fake news" endorsement as only confirming they should believe the opposite.

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
24. Here it is:
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:46 PM
Dec 2019
Holding the president accountable for gross abuse of power is the business of Congress. The House should get on with that business by writing articles of impeachment that make it clear to the Senate — and the American people — why the extraordinary remedy of impeachment is necessary. And Republicans who complain that the process is partisan could easily rectify that situation by abandoning their lockstep loyalty to Trump and looking at the facts.
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
28. Damn, you beat me to it
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:12 AM
Dec 2019

You just KNOW those will be his exact words when asked about the LA Times at a presser.

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