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NJCher

(35,669 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:26 AM Jan 2020

Democrats looked ready to unify. And then Hillary Clinton had to go and raise her hand

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Editorials & Other Articles group).

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On Monday, the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates — who have run a pretty chill primary, all things considered — linked arms at a Martin Luther King Jr. Day rally in South Carolina. Their message was clear: Even as the race narrows and the Iowa caucuses loom, the field is joined in common purpose. Or enough common purpose to keep things civil.

It was a nice twenty-something hours. Because this morning, former candidate Hillary Clinton popped up to zing Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders — even demurring on whether she’d support him were he to win the nomination. In an upcoming Hulu series, Clinton says Sanders “was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done.” When asked if that assessment still holds, Clinton told the Hollywood Reporter, in an interview published this morning, “Yes, it does.”

It’s mind-boggling to see a woman against whom “likability” was so ably weaponized argue that Sanders is unlikable. It’s particularly absurd for Clinton, who was so frustrated by Sanders’ late support of her as the Democratic presidential nominee, to say that she’s unsure if she would support him should he get the nomination. (I’d vote for a sentient sock should it win the Democratic nomination, or even former Vice President Joe Biden, should it come to that, which is to repeat myself.) It’s wild to accuse a competitor’s campaign of relentless negativity while being relentlessly negative three years later about that same campaign.

Meanwhile, the current candidates, including Sanders, have largely kept their messages to the issues. When Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s campaign circulated the rumor that Sanders had said a woman could not win the presidency, Sanders denied the exchange, all while praising Warren as a candidate and a person — an exceptionally difficult line to walk. When a prominent Sanders supporter published an op-ed last week saying that Biden represented Washington, D.C., corruption, Sanders immediately went on television and said, “It is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way. And I’m sorry that that op-ed appeared.”

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The author closes by stating that the only mention of Clinton by Sanders has been of him praising her.

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Democrats looked ready to unify. And then Hillary Clinton had to go and raise her hand (Original Post) NJCher Jan 2020 OP
We don't need no trash talk! Aussie105 Jan 2020 #1
I wonder how long your article will stay up? gab13by13 Jan 2020 #2
the article is appropriately posted NJCher Jan 2020 #3
Bernie is dropping in Iowa aeromanKC Jan 2020 #5
Thank you ejbr Jan 2020 #18
democrats are unified. its the not democrat candidates that have issues IMO nt msongs Jan 2020 #4
well THAT was a load of dreck! stopdiggin Jan 2020 #6
Guess Warnke should have checked with Clinton before rushing to scold in print delisen Jan 2020 #7
Bull crap. CentralMass Jan 2020 #9
Baloney! Too late Hillary! Riding a high horse on a KPN Jan 2020 #12
She spoke the truth sueunderh Jan 2020 #8
This! happy feet Jan 2020 #24
Agreed Evergreen Emerald Jan 2020 #30
Donald Trump should be the target, not candidates who oppose him. democrank Jan 2020 #10
Bernie's targeting Democrats More_Cowbell Jan 2020 #11
Thats horseshit, we were no where near unifying. It was Bernie and his supporters getting worse the Mr. Sparkle Jan 2020 #13
She was cheated, but the world moved on. Magoo48 Jan 2020 #14
+10 B Stieg Jan 2020 #16
Well said! chwaliszewski Jan 2020 #20
Maybe this was a brilliant act of reverse psychology debsy Jan 2020 #15
It was divisive. Sienna86 Jan 2020 #17
ironically it may be helpful to Bernie Locrian Jan 2020 #23
ah, you found it NJCher Jan 2020 #25
I usually like reading the guardian, but yesterday there an opinion piece attacking Biden Tech Jan 2020 #19
urm NJCher Jan 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Jan 2020 #21
Oh for Pete's sake,now someone has to again blame it on Hillary? onetexan Jan 2020 #22
it was anything but a freedom of speech issue IMO NJCher Jan 2020 #28
A large number of these, almost?, bot like threads? empedocles Jan 2020 #27
noted NJCher Jan 2020 #29
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jan 2020 #31

Aussie105

(5,395 posts)
1. We don't need no trash talk!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:35 AM
Jan 2020

Not one dem to another, not if the talker-of-trash is Hillary.

What next? Obama calls out all Dems as namby pamby nappy wetters?

Hillary, if you are getting grumpy, you are off my Christmas card list!

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
2. I wonder how long your article will stay up?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:40 AM
Jan 2020

There seems to be a lot of anti-Bernie people here, how will they react once Bernie has won the nomination? I hope they support him.

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
3. the article is appropriately posted
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:50 AM
Jan 2020

and it's not from a right wing source, so there really should be no grounds to take it down.

Read the anti-Bernie stuff here as fear. If you understand that's what it is, it helps. Remember that even on the leftish spectrum in a right wing country like the USA, corporatism dies hard.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
5. Bernie is dropping in Iowa
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:33 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie will stay in the senate as an Independent to finish his career.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
18. Thank you
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:49 AM
Jan 2020

Nostradamus

msongs

(67,405 posts)
4. democrats are unified. its the not democrat candidates that have issues IMO nt
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:00 AM
Jan 2020

stopdiggin

(11,306 posts)
6. well THAT was a load of dreck!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:33 AM
Jan 2020
-snip-
"I’d vote for a sentient sock should it win the Democratic nomination, or even former Vice President Joe Biden, should it come to that, which is to repeat myself."
-snip-
"It’s wild to accuse a competitor’s campaign of relentless negativity while being relentlessly negative three years later about that same campaign."
-snip-
"Meanwhile, the current candidates, including Sanders, have largely kept their messages to the issues."

Yep. There's the Sanders campaign .. just killin' it with sweetness and light .. making the news day after day, and just sticking to the issues. It's been a real "kumbaya" moment I can tell ya'.

The OP kindly offers "more at the link" .. but I think I've kinda' already gotten the drift ...

delisen

(6,043 posts)
7. Guess Warnke should have checked with Clinton before rushing to scold in print
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:33 AM
Jan 2020

Clinton stated quite clearly in her tweet yesterday that she would support the Democratic nominee.

One problem with Melissa Batchelor Warnke's contributing article to the Los Angeles Times was her misrepresentation of what Clinton said in her interview. Had she contacted Clinton for clarification or even directly quoted Clinton instead of stated that Clinton "was demurring," or if she had not claimed in her article that Clinton said she was unsure if she would support him(Sanders) if he should he get the nomination" --Warnke would not have misrepresented.

I am being kind in calling this a misrepresentation. If Donald Trump or Sean Hannity wrote this, I would call it a lie.

For the record here is Clinton's tweet:


?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I thought everyone wanted my authentic, unvarnished views!

But to be serious, the number one priority for our country and world is retiring Trump, and, as I always have, I will do whatever I can to support our nominee.

Clinton has been unrelenting in supporting the Democratic Party. I wish I could say the same for Sanders or the Stein supporters he has hired.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
9. Bull crap.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:56 AM
Jan 2020

KPN

(15,645 posts)
12. Baloney! Too late Hillary! Riding a high horse on a
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:18 AM
Jan 2020

low road got you some blowback and this is the best you can do? Sorry — too late.

Frankly, that statement by Hillary printed in the Hollywood whatever article yesterday was her being authentic. Enough said.

sueunderh

(26 posts)
8. She spoke the truth
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:49 AM
Jan 2020

This is nothing new. Hillary said this before. Bernie is full of shit. He hides behind his supporters when confronted about his dirty politics. I am not a fan. But I will support and vote for him if he's nominated.

happy feet

(869 posts)
24. This!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:16 AM
Jan 2020

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
30. Agreed
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jan 2020

I am tired of the tsunami of attacks from all sides when Clinton speaks. And the amazing amount of ignorance regarding what she says.


She is brilliant. She has the right to speak. And she speaks the truth.

democrank

(11,094 posts)
10. Donald Trump should be the target, not candidates who oppose him.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:56 AM
Jan 2020

Beating Trump will require every single vote we can possibly get, including votes from Bernie Sanders supporters should he not be the nominee. And, there are more Independent voters than Democrats in this country. We can not win without their support.

The divide between establishment candidates and their challengers from “the Left” is nothing new, but this would be a good time to set that aside....however temporary.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
11. Bernie's targeting Democrats
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:09 AM
Jan 2020

More than he targets Trump.

I'm glad that Hillary said what she did.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
13. Thats horseshit, we were no where near unifying. It was Bernie and his supporters getting worse the
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:23 AM
Jan 2020

last 7 days. The spat with Warren and then the op ed targeting Joe Biden.

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
14. She was cheated, but the world moved on.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:34 AM
Jan 2020

Her timing sucks. Is there some karma involved for the way her DNC treated the Sanders campaign in 2016? The thing is, there is a shitload of positive campaigning calling out for the gravitas she brings, perhaps we’re all better served if she rolls up her sleeves and carries water for those she does support and lets those she doesn’t support campaign as they will.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
16. +10
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:49 AM
Jan 2020

Well said. Thanks!

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
20. Well said!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:10 AM
Jan 2020

I voted Bernie in the primary back in 2016, voted Hillary in the general election. I will do the same this year; support Bernie, and if he is not the nominee, vote for the Dem. My point is Hillary should not do anything that could help Trump win reelection.

debsy

(530 posts)
15. Maybe this was a brilliant act of reverse psychology
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:44 AM
Jan 2020

After all, "her emails!"

Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
17. It was divisive.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:49 AM
Jan 2020

Doesn’t help the democratic side at all. Did not speak to the issues. Helps Trump. That’s all. Very disappointed.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
23. ironically it may be helpful to Bernie
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:53 AM
Jan 2020

Coming from HRC - she essentially said nobody likes him: Meaning the establishment corporate democrats - not the people.
A lot of people take that as a ringing endorsement that he's not the type of politician that is bought by private interests.

This from a candidate in 2016 who (along with trump) had the *worst* popular approval rating compared to Berine's *best* approval rating. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329404-poll-bernie-sanders-countrys-most-popular-active-politician

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
25. ah, you found it
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jan 2020

I knew that was the case but I didn't want to say anything if I couldn't back up my facts with an URL.

Poll: Bernie Sanders country’s most popular active politician

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329404-poll-bernie-sanders-countrys-most-popular-active-politician

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) is the country’s most popular active politician, underscoring his importance to the Democratic Party as it seeks to rebuild in the wake of a disastrous 2016 election cycle.

Sanders is viewed favorably by 57 percent of registered voters, according to data from a Harvard-Harris survey provided exclusively to The Hill. Sanders is the only person in a field of 16 Trump administration officials or congressional leaders included in the survey who is viewed favorably by a majority of those polled.

White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon is far and away the least popular political figure in the poll, with only 16 percent viewing him favorably, compared with 45 percent having a negative view of him.

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Of course it is acknowledged Clinton's remarks referred to the other senators. This is among the people.

operative phrase: A lot of people take that as a ringing endorsement that he's not the type of politician that is bought by private interests.

Tech

(1,771 posts)
19. I usually like reading the guardian, but yesterday there an opinion piece attacking Biden
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:05 AM
Jan 2020

by a Bernie supporter. There was also an opinion piece in USA Today by Betty DaVis as to how separation of church and state meant prayer should be in schools.

I hope going forward that posters will make clear when something is published as an opinion piece. They are often hit pieces cloaked as news. Just my, ahem, opinion.

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
26. urm
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020

that's why it was posted in "editorials and other articles." Editorials means "opinion."

Response to NJCher (Original post)

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
22. Oh for Pete's sake,now someone has to again blame it on Hillary?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:20 AM
Jan 2020

Hillary is now a private citizen. She can speak her mind if she wants. What she said was spot on, whether you agree with her or not. She isn't dividing Dems. Blame that on BS & his people.

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
28. it was anything but a freedom of speech issue IMO
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
27. A large number of these, almost?, bot like threads?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jan 2020

NJCher

(35,669 posts)
29. noted
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
31. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:29 AM
Jan 2020

Per the decisions and instructions of the DU Admins, all OP's regarding Democratic candidates for the Party's nomination for President are to be posted in the Democratic Primaries Forum. Please post your OP there. Thanks

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