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Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:26 PM Feb 2020

Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre: Wikipedia (Nixon also tried to get even)

Kind of relates to Trump's firing of two State Department officials today..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

The Saturday Night Massacre is the name popularly applied[1] to the series of events that took place in the United States on the evening of Saturday, October 20, 1973, during the Watergate scandal. U.S. President Richard Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox; Richardson refused and resigned effective immediately. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; Ruckelshaus refused, and also resigned. Nixon then ordered the third-most-senior official at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, to fire Cox. Bork considered resigning, but instead carried out the dismissal as Nixon asked.

The political and public reactions to Nixon's actions were negative and highly damaging to the president. The impeachment process against Richard Nixon began 10 days later, on October 30, 1973. New Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski was appointed on November 1, 1973,[2] and on November 14, 1973, United States District Judge Gerhard Gesell ruled that the dismissal had been illegal.

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Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre: Wikipedia (Nixon also tried to get even) (Original Post) Stuart G Feb 2020 OP
Thanks. You saved me from having to look that up. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2020 #1
I was around for that too. And I listened and watched that show very closely.. Stuart G Feb 2020 #2
Halloween Massacre LessAspin Feb 2020 #3
Thank You for your post and insight.. Stuart G Feb 2020 #4
Unfortunately... LessAspin Feb 2020 #5

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,232 posts)
1. Thanks. You saved me from having to look that up.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020

I was around for that. We’re in for some interesting times.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
2. I was around for that too. And I listened and watched that show very closely..
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020

....What will happen next? Who will finally turn against Nixon? How will this end? Why is all this happening.
Is John Dean telling the truth? Is Nixon and his gang lying about everything? I have a newspaper somewhere in my home that says, "I Am Not A Crook" as its headline.

... What happened then and what happened now are very similar in just one way. It really was an organized gang and the gang followed the leader and many of that gang went to prison. Even the first VP, Agnew, went to jail. The particulars of what happened are totally different, but the gang & how the gang is acting with their gang boss, seem to me to be exactly the same. And one other idea of great importance..Nixon was, and Trump is sure that he was/ is going to get away with it. That is how gang leaders think and work.

...Trump has support from some very powerful people, and that support is solid. I am not sure that Nixon had that kind of support as things got worse and worse. It is true that some of Trump's gang are already in prison for crimes, but Trump is still sure he is going to get away with it. And although some of the gang members have changed, the situation in Trump's mind is exactly the same.

...If it really was Nixon that erased the famous tape, then Nixon was also sure that he could get away with "anything." Altering important evidence is against the law. Nixon paid the price and had to resign. I think this movie will end the same, but to be totally honest, I am the one who doesn't have a clue as to what is going to happen. An example of that is I never in my wildest dreams every thought that Trump would be the President Of The United States. I just hope the end comes reasonably soon. I want this movie to be over.

LessAspin

(1,150 posts)
3. Halloween Massacre
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:38 PM
Feb 2020

Just a few years later we had the Halloween Massacre.

Gerald Ford, in order to avert an insurgency from the right, dumped Nelson Rockefeller and other moderates. Thus ushering in the rise of Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.

Ford v Reagan signaled the end of the moderate Republican...

Prior to the election of 1960, the two leaders of the Republican Party had been Senator Robert Taft and President Dwight Eisenhower. In 1952, those two had fought a close and bitter battle all the way to the convention for the Republican nomination for president. It was only through a questionable ploy at the convention that Eisenhower managed to win the nomination.

There are two points that should be drawn about these men in order to understand the subject at hand. First, Taft was a non-interventionist in foreign policy, to the extent that he was opposed to American involvement in World War II, the Nuremburg Trials and the formation of NATO. Second, Eisenhower more than once said that he was not about to repeal FDR’s New Deal. When Eisenhower left office after eight years, the income tax rate was 91 per cent for the highest income earners.

One last point needs to be made in order to delineate the dichotomy that was to come. Around this time—early to middle sixties––there was actually a moderate wing to the Republican Party. People like Senator Mark Hatfield, Governor George Romney, Senator Charles Percy, Senator Jacob Javits, Governor Raymond Shafer, Senator Charles Mathias, Governor William Scranton, Senator Margaret Chase Smith, Congressman Pete McCloskey, these and others constituted a minority, but an influential one, within the GOP. As many have noted, what began to alter the Republican Party, and eventually made its moderate wing extinct, was the Barry Goldwater campaign of 1964. That nomination brought to the forefront the extreme rightwing elements of the party—the John Birch Society types—who declared war on the moderate elements in the party. Although the Goldwater forces lost, they succeeded in establishing a beachhead in the GOP. Senator Goldwater had voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, was against the high taxation rate, and felt President Johnson was soft on communism. He became the first Republican nominee to consciously run on a Southern Strategy, one which was designed to break up the Democratic majority in the south by employing racist symbology. That strategy, plus the fact that Goldwater was from Arizona, began to rebuild the Republican party on a Southern/Western axis.

This included California Governor Ronald Reagan. Reagan made a last-minute televised appeal for Goldwater in 1964. And that appeal first put him on the national political map. At that time, the highest political office Reagan had attained was president of the Screen Actors Guild.

It was not just Reagan who supported Goldwater; it was also William F. Buckley Jr. Buckley’s Young Americans For Freedom supplied the shock troops for the Goldwater campaign. Goldwater was trounced, but Buckley and Reagan now started to pull the Republican party to the far right. In a blatant effort to exterminate them, Buckley began to defame and run against those from the moderate wing of the party: for instance, Charles Goodell and John Lindsay. The very threat of a Reagan run in 1976 provoked President Gerald Ford to perform the Halloween Massacre. That panic-stricken move, for all intents and purposes empowered the neoconservative movement and triggered the rise of Dick Cheney...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-halloween-massacre-at-the-white-house-92668509/

LessAspin

(1,150 posts)
5. Unfortunately...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:04 PM
Feb 2020

Now we have an AG that is actively aiding and abetting overt criminality, and a couple of junior lawyers are apparently the only people with enough of a conscience to quit.














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