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appalachiablue

(41,105 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 07:41 PM Apr 2020

Governors On East & West Coasts Form Pacts To Decide When To Reopen Economies

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'Governors on East and West coasts form pacts to decide when to reopen economies.' By Kristina Sgueglia, Cheri Mossburg and Maeve Reston, CNN. States on the country's East and West coasts are forming their own regional pacts to work together on how to reopen from the stay-at-home orders each has. NBC2, April 13, 2020. Excerpts:

States on the country's East and West coasts are forming their own regional pacts to work together on how to reopen from the stay-at-home orders each has issued to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus. The first such group to be announced came Monday on the East Coast. Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said his state, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Delaware and Rhode Island each plan to name a public health and economic official to a regional working group. The chief of staff of the governor of each state also will be a part of the group, which will begin work immediately to design a reopening plan.

Later on Monday, the West Coast states of California, Washington and Oregon also announced they are joining forces in a plan to begin incremental release of stay-at-home orders. Governors of the three states will collaborate on their approach to getting back to business in "in a safe, strategic, responsible way," as announced by California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom.

The collaborative approach by governors on both coasts underscored the massive and complex calculations that the nation is facing as it looks at steps to reopen the economy at both the federal and state levels. Though the President has asserted that he has the authority to determine when the economy will reopen, governors and mayors around the country have moved swiftly in recent days to make it clear that they control the levers of power in their own states and cities with their ability to maintain closures of businesses and schools, and to enforce social distancing through their police departments.

...Seven East Coast states to work together on reopening

The East Coast group will study data research and the experience of other areas to deliver "guidelines and parameters to go forward," Cuomo said. He described it as a "sharing" of information, research and resources to come up with a "consistent, if not complementary" plan. Cuomo said people who work in New York City come from across borders every day -- they live in Connecticut and New Jersey, in addition to New York state -- and it only makes sense for the states to work in a coordinated way. "His workforce is my workforce, my workforce is his workforce, all these decisions affect everyone and the entire region. What this virus says is all of your lines and boundaries make no sense," Cuomo said, referring to New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, another Democrat.

Any states who want to join are welcome to join, Cuomo said, adding that he is in touch with Massachusetts (joined, + DE, PA)...More, https://www.nbc-2.com/story/42001905/governors-on-east-and-west-coasts-form-pacts-to-decide-when-to-reopen-economies
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NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/us/coronavirus-updates.html

Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/13/1936971/-Blue-state-governors-say-science-not-Trump-will-determine-when-they-reopen

...“Well, seeing as we had the responsibility for closing the state down, I think we probably have the primary responsibility for opening it up," Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania tweeted in response to Trump's assertion Monday that he retained the ultimate authority to reopen America for business. On the East coast, Wolf is joining with the governors of Connecticut, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island to form a committee of public health officials and economic advisers to guide the timing of easing social distancing restrictions implemented at the state level.

The West coast governors of California, Oregon, and Washington sent a similar message, specifically noting that science—not Trump—would be the main driver of their public health decisions. "The West Coast is guided by science," California Gov. Gavin Newsom tweeted. "We issued stay at home orders early to keep the public healthy. We’ll open our economies with that same guiding principle." Washington Gov. Jay Inslee issued a similar tweet, stating: "Our residents' health comes first," and adding that health outcomes and science, "not politics," would be the main driver of their public health decisions...

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Governors On East & West Coasts Form Pacts To Decide When To Reopen Economies (Original Post) appalachiablue Apr 2020 OP
And Trump wins customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #1
Biden has made some postive announcements on policy appalachiablue Apr 2020 #2
Good customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #3
Maybe it would have seemed too 'partisan' for him to appalachiablue Apr 2020 #6
Elections are about partisanship customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #7
No, I don't think so kurtcagle Apr 2020 #4
One of the ways customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #5
I'm not entirely sure what purpose there is to gaslighting Joe Biden. Aristus Apr 2020 #8
My point is customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #9
I don't know what Biden's field strategy is, but it's possible it's simply Aristus Apr 2020 #10
That's not good enough customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #11
It's going to have to be for now. Aristus Apr 2020 #12
Good point customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #13
I'm not sure I agree 100%. Aristus Apr 2020 #14
I look back customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #15
I'm pretty sure Joe Biden wouldn't make that mistake. Aristus Apr 2020 #16
Cuomo casting a shadow over Biden? BS, and the Idiot is losing. onetexan Apr 2020 #17
These last few weeks customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #18
Cuomo's been doing a great job, but your notion that he's casting a shadow over Biden is baloney onetexan Apr 2020 #19

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
1. And Trump wins
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:03 PM
Apr 2020

When Democratic governors look like real leaders, Joe Biden is marginalized. Gov. Cuomo has been casting a big shadow over Biden in the last three weeks, the Orange Anus saw that, and is determined to smother Biden with coverage that tries to reduce him to irrelevance.

Biden needs to get out of his basement, and start taking command of the opposition.

appalachiablue

(41,105 posts)
2. Biden has made some postive announcements on policy
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:06 PM
Apr 2020

lately and he should raise the visibility I agree. He knows this as well.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
3. Good
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:14 PM
Apr 2020

He should have coordinated with those governors, and been the front man for what they came up with. The cynical part of me says they're probably thinking about their own political futures.

appalachiablue

(41,105 posts)
6. Maybe it would have seemed too 'partisan' for him to
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:38 PM
Apr 2020

officially join for the announcement since many states are blue and have Dem. governors.

Who knows if this could be the beginning of real separations, esp. the west coast where the Cascadia movement that began in the 1800s is still around in some form. Also, in the last several years proponents of breaking up California over several issues including congressional representation have been vocal and then subsided.

I wonder what will happen to other eastern coastal states, as well as western interior states both in terms of this development during the pandemic and for the future- Nevada, Arizona, Montana, DC, Maryland, Virginia, North and South Carolina, more.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. Elections are about partisanship
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:01 AM
Apr 2020

Govern as a pragmatist, if you get elected, but run as a partisan so that you appear to stand for something.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
4. No, I don't think so
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:25 PM
Apr 2020

This is the governors' decisions to make, though I do not doubt that Biden's been in contact with both the Cascadia and Acela Compacts. The other side of this is that this shouldn't be a Democratic vs. Republican issue. DeWine's been front and center on this in Ohio and could very well join a Midwest compact if it's not seen as being purely Democratic in nature.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
5. One of the ways
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:30 PM
Apr 2020

that Trump beat out well over a dozen GOP'ers (who were each way more qualified) for the nomination is to suck the oxygen out of the room. If Trump can drown out Joe Biden by having pissing matches with blue state governors who are not the Democratic nominee, that accomplishes his purpose.

Also, Trump's setting up our party for blame if the economy doesn't recover fully by Election Day, he'll whine, "I was all in favor of getting us back to normal, but THEY set up a massive amount of roadblocks."

Didn't we all see how Trump used Democratic officeholders to make his points during the campaign commercial that was shown at the press conference?

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
8. I'm not entirely sure what purpose there is to gaslighting Joe Biden.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:08 AM
Apr 2020

He's doing his thing, the Democratic state governors are doing theirs.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
9. My point is
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:12 AM
Apr 2020

even if the daily press briefings are total blather, Trump gets mentioned on the evening news, whereas Joe Biden is fighting out of his basement to get noticed. I don't want this biting us in the ass come November.

A leader should lead. Right now, Andrew Cuomo looks like the most powerful leader in the Democratic Party, and that's not helping Joe Biden's image very much.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
10. I don't know what Biden's field strategy is, but it's possible it's simply
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:15 AM
Apr 2020

"Give him enough rope...…"

Trump looks worse and worse every time he gets in front of a camera.

Biden has plenty of time to shine, or to have others do the shining for him (PBO's endorsement of Biden, likely coming today, is going to be huge.)

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
11. That's not good enough
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:26 AM
Apr 2020

Every time I think, "Wow, Trump's really shot himself in the foot THIS time," I've always been proved wrong.

There are three kinds of voters:

Progressives: "Wow, look what an idiot Trump is for saying/doing THAT. I want everyone in America to see this!"

MAGAts : "Wow, look at how Trump owned them libruls this time, it's going to make them crazy!"

Mushy middle swing voters: "Yeah, we really don't pay attention to the news, but can you let us know when baseball season starts up again?"

It's that last group, the ones who decide who to vote for the weekend before the election, that I worry about. They got fooled before, and Trump's setting them up for a second time.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
12. It's going to have to be for now.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:40 AM
Apr 2020

We can ramp things up after the convention.

I don't want Biden-fatigue to replace Trump-fatigue.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
13. Good point
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:43 AM
Apr 2020

But, it is inevitable that Joe Biden will not get as much press attention as his VP pick will. She's going to be assumed to be the first female President this country will have, and that may make him look weakened by comparison.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
14. I'm not sure I agree 100%.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:46 AM
Apr 2020

Picking a strong, dynamic, inspiring woman for the VP slot can only make him look strong, as he has the courage, good will, and smarts to actually do that.

Trump picking the drab, boring, sycophantic, self-righteous prig Mike Pence to suck up to him just made them both look worse by comparison.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
15. I look back
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:49 AM
Apr 2020

at tired old John McCain picking Sarah Palin. Yes, dumb as a board, but she stole McCain's thunder in the general election campaign, and sucked up all the attention, both positive and negative.

I hope that does not get repeated this time around.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
16. I'm pretty sure Joe Biden wouldn't make that mistake.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

I can't see him deciding in a million years to pick a dumb-as-shit barnburner like Sarah Palin.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
18. These last few weeks
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:01 PM
Apr 2020

who's gotten more press coverage? Biden or Cuomo? Who's been more defiant of the Idiot? In my opinion, it has been Cuomo.

A couple of weeks ago, there were threads pining for Cuomo to be our nominee. And Trump loves that. By getting in pissing matches with minor GOP candidates, he took the spotlight away from Jebbie to grab the nomination.

What Trump lacks in brains, manners, empathy, and humility he makes up for by blitzkrieging his opposition by hogging up the news media, especially by elevating those not central to the issue at hand, and marginalizing his main opponents' message.

onetexan

(13,024 posts)
19. Cuomo's been doing a great job, but your notion that he's casting a shadow over Biden is baloney
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:17 PM
Apr 2020

Cuomo is doing what all governors should be doing. He's been in the media alot because the past several weeks NY has been the epicenter of this pandemic. That said, in the case you haven't seen it, he's spoken favorably of Biden, and Biden has for the most part been running a shadow administration, the details of which i won't go into here but you can google it.

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