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swag

(26,486 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 09:34 AM Apr 2020

Really, Michael Moore?

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Emily Atkin

Michael Moore’s new bombshell climate change documentary, Planet of the Humans, argues that renewable energy is worse for the planet than fossil fuels. It claims that the climate movement has been bought and sold by billionaire capitalists. And it argues that the only reason environmentalists don’t talk about population control is because “it would be bad for business.”

But does Michael Moore’s new bombshell climate change documentary, Planet of the Humans, include equally bombshell evidence to support these controversial claims? Does the film’s director Jeff Gibbs give the environmentalists he attacks a fair chance to respond? And on the extremely racially fraught issue of limiting population growth, do Moore and Gibbs interview any non-white experts to support their point?

That’s a no, and a no, and an extremely cringeworthy nooooope.

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Really, Michael Moore? (Original Post) swag Apr 2020 OP
KISS Pantagruel Apr 2020 #1
You first. What are your last wishes? How do you want to go? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #2
Step one Pantagruel Apr 2020 #10
Who decides who can have children? Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #4
Michale Moore and his followers want to comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #3
And places where people tend to have more kids tend to be poorer societies and they don't use many JI7 Apr 2020 #9
All You Have To Do Is Look & See To REfute His Claims Me. Apr 2020 #5
+1 2naSalit Apr 2020 #7
I simply Rebl2 Apr 2020 #6
Actually, the worlds resources are finite. Does not dugog55 Apr 2020 #8
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
10. Step one
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:25 AM
Apr 2020

Make contraception and chemical and surgical abortion FREE on a global basis. Women need to control their reproductive cycles-end of story.Population sanity should flow from this action.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,458 posts)
4. Who decides who can have children?
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:18 AM
Apr 2020

Also, as the US is run by a government hostile to birth control, and friendly to anti-woman policies, and sympathetic to religious extremists like the "Quiverfull Movement", population control raises a lot of questions that the US has a poor history of solutions.

Also, as I have posted on several several threads the "documentary" is riddled with errors, outdated information, and spurious assumptions.

comradebillyboy

(10,138 posts)
3. Michale Moore and his followers want to
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:17 AM
Apr 2020

drastically reduce the Earth's population. Do they advocate the brutal police state tactics that China used to enforce it's now abandoned one child policy? Moore and his ilk are showing their left wing authoritarian tendencies with this movie.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
9. And places where people tend to have more kids tend to be poorer societies and they don't use many
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 05:31 AM
Apr 2020

resources. They don't own vehicles, they aren't flying, they don't even have regular electricity .

Birth Rate goes down on its own with advances in rights for women .

Me.

(35,454 posts)
5. All You Have To Do Is Look & See To REfute His Claims
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:34 AM
Apr 2020

The environment has been changing for the better ver since everything has been shut down. The air is cleaner, as is the water and the animals are happier.

2naSalit

(86,507 posts)
7. +1
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 11:36 AM
Apr 2020

I had many differences of fact than what was presented in the movie. I was somewhat impressed by the delivery but the points being made are old and not up to date with current technology and understanding.

A silver lining to this pandemic is that people really are starting to rethink a lot of things. We rarely have the time to stop and think about important issues that keep us on a path of our own destruction. Now, basically being forced to since the days of important decisions are upon us, we are facing these concerns of survival in near future terms on all levels. It's a good thing. Even as many will suffer pain and inconvenience, many will also realize that life has a lot of painful things in it and we cannot avoid them by constantly ignoring them and denying that they should be experienced. It may be that these latent experiences have been following us around waiting to burst upon us when there's too much ignoring the experiences and their lessons. I think that dam has burst and that is where we are right now.

It's a time of reckoning on many levels, I hope we figure out a positive path forward.

Rebl2

(13,483 posts)
6. I simply
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 10:36 AM
Apr 2020

cannot stand this man. To say who can and cannot have children is akin authoritarianism.

dugog55

(296 posts)
8. Actually, the worlds resources are finite. Does not
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 01:26 PM
Apr 2020

anyone remember in the 1960's the push for zero population growth? That was three billion people ago. It has not gotten any better. In 2019 Earth Overshoot day was July 29th. That is when the current population used up what resources the earth can provide for a year. I fact, I have read that if the worlds population lived like Americans, we would need four earths to sustain them.

There are too many people for what the earth can sustain, period. How we control the population is the big question. People will bring up the Bible quote about "go forth and multiply", but that was thousands of years ago and the worlds' population was in the low millions.

It is not heresy or evil to talk about reducing the human population. No on seems to care much that the insect population has gone down 25% in the last couple of decades. Or that wild animal populations have plummeted around the world due to humans encroaching on their turf, pollution and various poisons we use for cultivating crops.

It is not a human planet, but OUR planet. Plants, trees, insects, vertebrates, and all living creatures all belong here and should be treated as equals. Along with climate change, our footprint on the natural world must be reduced also.

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