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Sat Jul 18, 2020, 01:39 PM Jul 2020

Here are the reasons Trump is losing so badly - Jennifer Rubin

The 15-point lead for former vice president Joe Biden in the Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday seemed to many Democrats too good to be true. Then a NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll dropped, showing an 11-point lead for Biden. Even if you think the polls will narrow as the election gets closer (a good bet) or that President Trump will start acting like a normal president (a bad bet), it is instructive to see why Biden has these big margins and how they correlate with Trump’s increasingly bizarre antics and fractured rhetoric.

Trump has lost white women: In 2016, Hillary Clinton (according to later verified results) carried female voters by 15 points (54-39) but lost white women (45-47). In the Quinnipiac poll, Biden leads by a greater margin than Clinton’s final number among all women (59-31) and among white women (55-38). In the NBC-WSJ poll, Biden’s lead is similarly large, at 58 percent to 35 percent (though numbers for white women are not specifically reported). It’s likely that Trump lost so much ground among white women due to a range of policies, from his treatment of women and children at the border to his incendiary language to his lack of concern for the health of schoolchildren returning in the fall.

Trump has lost older voters: Older voters (65 and above) went for Trump in 2016 by nine points. Quinnipiac shows Biden crushing Trump with these voters with a 14-point margin. (The NBC-WSJ poll does not break this group out either.) It was probably bad strategy to threaten to take away Medicaid (via elimination of the Affordable Care Act), which funds nursing home costs, and to be cavalier about older voters’ vulnerability during the pandemic. Because these voters (like women) tend to turn out in greater numbers than other segments of the electorate, this is particularly bad news for Trump, especially in states with large numbers of seniors and surging coronavirus cases (e.g., Florida and Arizona).

Trump has lost ground with whites without college degrees: Trump did exceptionally well with this group in 2016, winning by 36 points (64-28). His advantage has deteriorated considerably, leading by just 13 points in the Quinnipiac poll and by 22 points in the NBC-WSJ poll. It may be that many of these voters are now suffering badly due to the economy, they resent him trying to take away health care or they are turned off by Trump’s racist appeals. They may have voted for him because he would shake things up or because they disliked Clinton more or because they thought his skills as a businessman would serve him well. Whatever the explanation, that critical group is falling away from Trump, and hugging the Confederate flag and bullying schools to reopen is not helping.

Trump is bombing with independent and swing-state voters: These voters chose Trump in 2016 by a narrow 43-42 margin; Quinnipiac now shows him losing the group 34-51. In swing states, Trump is losing by an even larger margin than his overall national vote (12 points), according to the NBC-WSJ poll. Of the 11 battleground states the NBC-WSJ poll surveyed (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin), Trump won six in 2016. A 12-point overall deficit in these states suggests he will do much worse in 2020.

In sum, the price of appealing so heavily to his far-right, white, evangelical and mostly male base is that Trump has alienated everyone else. Even within core groups, he is not doing as well as he did in 2016. Lo and behold, the NBC-WSJ poll found that 50 percent of all voters say there is no chance they’d vote for him, while 52 percent say they’d be "very uncomfortable.” Biden’s figures are both under 40 percent. If you cannot hold or expand your base and you enrage everyone else, chances are you will lose.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/16/here-are-reasons-trumps-losing-so-badly/




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Here are the reasons Trump is losing so badly - Jennifer Rubin (Original Post) question everything Jul 2020 OP
May he continue to bomb pandr32 Jul 2020 #1
Everything but Portland soothsayer Jul 2020 #3
... trusty elf Jul 2020 #15
Good one! pandr32 Jul 2020 #21
The one constant of Trump's campaign to become dictator.... Thomas Hurt Jul 2020 #2
DING DING DING! Thomas Hurt, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Jul 2020 #10
If you wanted to sum this debacle up in just a few sentences,.... paleotn Jul 2020 #17
Thank you, question everything, and Jennifer Rubin! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2020 #4
as long as trump talks, he keeps making MORE democratic voters so I want him never to shutup beachbumbob Jul 2020 #5
Don't worry, he won't! subterranean Jul 2020 #14
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #6
I'll shorten it. Donald trump is losing because he is Donald trump. denem Jul 2020 #7
KnR, and please gods get us out of this Hekate Jul 2020 #8
Let the orange king continue to bomb and reap the self inflicted wounds!! Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #9
He is NOT losing! WillParkinson Jul 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #12
Actually, Dr. Mary L. Trump is his niece. And there was plenty of coverage of her, niyad Jul 2020 #16
I can't never keep those Trumps sorted out! /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #19
Right now, the only possible path Trump would have to victory Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #13
Let's hope so. n/t PatrickforO Jul 2020 #18
That's a nice toxic mix sellitman Jul 2020 #20

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. The one constant of Trump's campaign to become dictator....
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jul 2020

has been his reliance on the far right, the christofascists. Trump is a god damn fascist and is trying to build another Reich.

Time to stop dancing around it.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
10. DING DING DING! Thomas Hurt, you're our grand prize winner!
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jul 2020
Trump is a god damn fascist and is trying to build another Reich.

Though I prefer "He's starting to make Hitler look like a stable genius."


rocktivity

WillParkinson

(16,862 posts)
11. He is NOT losing!
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jul 2020

Stop paying attention to polls. We lost with Clinton, when everyone assumed it was a lock.

They'll lie. They'll cheat. They'll intimidate. They will do anything to avoid losing.

Showing Mr. Biden with these comfortable margins is lulling people into a false sense of security. "Oh, he's so far ahead, my vote won't matter."

Hammer home the narrative that 'yes, we seem ahead, but your vote is vital to this process."

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niyad

(113,272 posts)
16. Actually, Dr. Mary L. Trump is his niece. And there was plenty of coverage of her,
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jul 2020

and the sharply rising death toll from this insidious plague.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
13. Right now, the only possible path Trump would have to victory
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jul 2020

would be to shut up and do absolutely nothing until November third.

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