Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

appalachiablue

(41,128 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:18 AM Jul 2020

Russia: Forest Bones Confirmed To Be The Last Tsar of Russia And The Romanov Family

Last edited Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)

'Russia: Forest bones confirmed to be last tsar of Russia and the Romanov family.' After decades of mystery, the Russian Investigative Committee has concluded that they have found the bones and remains of Nicholas II and his family. The imperial family was executed during the Russian revolution. DW, July 18, 2020.

Human remains discovered in a forest near the Russian city of Yekaterinburg belonged to the last Russian Tsar Nicholas II and members of his family, the Russian Investigative Committee announced on Friday in a statement.

Since renewing investigations, the Committee has carried out about 37 different forensic examinations. "Based on numerous expert findings, the investigation has reached the conclusion that the remains belong to Nicholas II, his family and persons from their environment," the Committee said.

Senior investigator Marina Molodtsova told Russian newspaper Izvestia that, "Based on the expert molecular-genetic findings, the remains of the two people, discovered in the summer of 2007 near the burial site of nine other victims, belong to the daughter and son of Nicholas and Alexandra Romanov. Biological kinship with both parents has been established for both Alexei and Maria."

Research is still ongoing, including investigations into how the Russian imperial family was killed.

(Read more: Putin's Russia 'is not an empire' despite Crimea annexation)

- Romanov family shrouded in mystery -

Nicholas II, his German-born wife Alexandra Feodorovna, and their five children, Anastasia, Maria, Tatiana, Olga and Alexei, were executed by the Bolsheviks in 1918 in the midst of the Russian Revolution. The Russian Orthodox Church had recognized the ex-tsar as a martyred saint in 1981.

The bodies of the last members of the Romanov dynasty were originally said to have been thrown into a mineshaft, before being burned and hurriedly buried by the killers. Alexandra Romanova, a spokeswoman for the investigation, told Izvestia that "Our experiments denied the version that the bodies of the victims were destroyed with sulphuric acid and burned."...

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-forest-bones-confirmed-to-be-last-tsar-of-russia-and-the-romanov-family/a-54223877



- The Last Days of the Romanovs, National Geographic, 2018.
18 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Russia: Forest Bones Confirmed To Be The Last Tsar of Russia And The Romanov Family (Original Post) appalachiablue Jul 2020 OP
Wow... FirstLight Jul 2020 #1
This is hardly breaking news. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #2
This is about the Committee's investigation and confirmation appalachiablue Jul 2020 #6
+1 Mike 03 Jul 2020 #8
Finally some closure on this grim history of the Romanovs. appalachiablue Jul 2020 #17
Well, okay, but I read about this a decade or more ago. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #11
Time travel is cool. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #13
I'm learning about this for the first time. Baitball Blogger Jul 2020 #7
There was a very good movie starring Amy Irving based on this Mike 03 Jul 2020 #9
A woman claiming to be Anastasia lived in Charlottesville, Virginia, for many years. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #10
And she was proved to be a fraud a very long time ago. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #12
Alexandra, wifw of Tsar, was a grand-daughter of Queen Victoria bobbieinok Jul 2020 #3
And Kaiser Wilhelm II (Kaiser Bill', WWI head of Germany) was a grand-son of Queen Victoria bobbieinok Jul 2020 #4
Both Queen Elizabeth and her husband Prince Philip are great-great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria bobbieinok Jul 2020 #5
Family feuds. ChazInAz Jul 2020 #14
Some truth to that! Stunned when I learned Kaiser Bill was one of Victoria's grandchildren! bobbieinok Jul 2020 #15
Czar Nicholas II and England's King George V were cousins who looked like twins. Aristus Jul 2020 #16
Nicholas was a murderer and got what he deserved. BigDemVoter Jul 2020 #18

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
2. This is hardly breaking news.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:37 AM
Jul 2020

I read this at least 20 years ago, possibly earlier.

And the bones were given some sort of official burial a couple of decades ago.

appalachiablue

(41,128 posts)
6. This is about the Committee's investigation and confirmation
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 05:13 AM
Jul 2020

of authenticity of the remains of the family & servants, not discovery that occurred in the late 20th & earlier 21st c.

More from the article,

"The remains were first tracked down by amateur historians in 1979, although the discovery was only revealed in 1991 when investigators announced the discovery of the remains of nine people in a burial site in a forest near Yekaterinburg. They were said to have belonged to the imperial family including Nicholas II, his wife and daughters Anastasia, Tatiana and Olga, as well as their doctor and servants.

In 2007, researchers conducting an archeological dig south of the original burial, found the remains of what they believed were the two remaining children — Alexei and Maria.

> The finding led to the reopening of the investigation into the case and the exhumation of the remains of the family."

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
9. There was a very good movie starring Amy Irving based on this
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 05:49 AM
Jul 2020

premise, although the film left open the possibility that the "Anastasia" in the movie was delusional.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,406 posts)
10. A woman claiming to be Anastasia lived in Charlottesville, Virginia, for many years.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 05:52 AM
Jul 2020
Anna Anderson

Anna Anderson (16 December 1896 – 12 February 1984) was the best known of several impostors who claimed to be Grand Duchess Anastasia of Russia.[1] Anastasia, the youngest daughter of the last Tsar and Tsarina of Russia, Nicholas II and Alexandra, was murdered along with her parents and siblings on 17 July 1918 by communist revolutionaries in Yekaterinburg, Russia, but the location of her body was unknown until 2007.

{snip}

Final years (1968–1984)


Anderson's long-time supporter Gleb Botkin, c. 1960

[Her long-time supporter Gleb] Botkin was living in the university town of Charlottesville, Virginia, and a local friend of his, history professor and genealogist John Eacott "Jack" Manahan, paid for Anderson's journey to the United States. She entered the country on a six-month visitor's visa, and shortly before it was due to expire, Anderson married Manahan, who was 20 years her junior, in a civil ceremony on 23 December 1968. Botkin was best man. Jack Manahan enjoyed this marriage of convenience, and described himself as "Grand Duke-in-Waiting" or "son-in-law to the Tsar". The couple lived in separate bedrooms in a house on University Circle in Charlottesville, and also owned a farm near Scottsville. Botkin died in December 1969. In February of the following year, 1970, the lawsuits finally came to an end, with neither side able to establish Anderson's identity.

Manahan and Anderson, now legally called Anastasia Manahan, became well known in the Charlottesville area as eccentrics. Though Jack Manahan was wealthy, they lived in squalor with large numbers of dogs and cats, and piles of garbage. On 20 August 1979, Anderson was taken to Charlottesville's Martha Jefferson Hospital with an intestinal obstruction. A gangrenous tumor and a length of intestine were removed by Dr. Richard Shrum.

With both Manahan and Anderson in failing health, in November 1983, Anderson was institutionalized, and an attorney, William Preston, was appointed as her guardian by the local circuit court. A few days later, Manahan "kidnapped" Anderson from the hospital, and for three days they drove around Virginia eating out of convenience stores. After a 13-state police alarm, they were found and Anderson was returned to a care facility. In January she may have had a stroke, and on 12 February 1984, she died of pneumonia. She was cremated the same day, and her ashes were buried in the churchyard at Castle Seeon on 18 June 1984. Manahan died on 22 March 1990.

{snip}

I went to a yard sale on University Circle back then. Manahan was there too. His car was jammed full of stuff. There was hardly room in there for anyone.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
4. And Kaiser Wilhelm II (Kaiser Bill', WWI head of Germany) was a grand-son of Queen Victoria
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:53 AM
Jul 2020

Queen Victoria had 9 children. They married into many of the royal families of Europe. See article The Descendents of Queen Victoria in Wikipedia

ChazInAz

(2,565 posts)
14. Family feuds.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jul 2020

When I was a teenager, so long ago, my favorite history teacher once described all of Europe's Nineteenth and Twentieth century wars as family feuds on a grand scale.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
15. Some truth to that! Stunned when I learned Kaiser Bill was one of Victoria's grandchildren!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020

And Tsar's wife!

So Germany, Russia, UK all in WWI!

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Editorials & Other Articles»Russia: Forest Bones Conf...