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mahatmakanejeeves

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Mon Nov 9, 2020, 06:34 PM Nov 2020

The most contentious transition before Trump and Biden: Herbert Hoover and FDR

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The most contentious transition before Trump and Biden: Herbert Hoover and FDR

By Ronald G. Shafer
November 9, 2020 at 7:30 a.m. EST

President Herbert Hoover had just lost the 1932 election by a landslide to Franklin D. Roosevelt. But during a testy transition, Hoover kept trying to pressure the president-elect into fighting the Great Depression by supporting the very policies he had campaigned against. ... Roosevelt, who had promised Americans a “New Deal” to get the country back on its feet, said no deal to endorsing the Hoover program. “It’s not my baby,” the New York governor told reporters.

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At their first post-election, face-to-face meeting on Nov. 22 in the Red Room of the White House, Hoover was shocked to see the severe disability of Roosevelt, who walked with braces because of polio. Hoover, 58, opened the meeting with an hour-long lecture on international economic issues. ... The president took the 50-year-old Roosevelt’s friendly nods as agreement to his plan that they jointly form a foreign debt commission. Hoover later told an adviser he had been “educating a very ignorant” if “well-meaning young man.” ... To Hoover’s dismay, the next day Roosevelt rejected the president’s plan. Hoover should proceed on his own if he wished, Roosevelt said. Or as humorist Will Rogers put it: “It’s your onion. You peel it until March 4.”

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Inauguration Day was cool and damp. Hoover and Roosevelt shared a blanket while riding in an open car from the White House to the Capitol. FDR tried to make small talk, but Hoover mostly stared grimly ahead. Roosevelt finally just waved his silk top hat to the crowd lining Pennsylvania Avenue. ... In his inauguration speech before 100,000 people, Roosevelt addressed the Depression with the famous words, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” The next day was a Sunday. On Monday, the new president announced the closing of the nation’s banks for a four-day “bank holiday.”

Meanwhile, the states had ratified the 20th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — it was known as the “lame duck amendment” — changing Inauguration Day to Jan. 20. Roosevelt died in 1945 during his fourth term in office and never had to go through another presidential transition.

Ronald G. Shafer
Ronald G. Shafer is a former editor at the Wall Street Journal and the author of "The Carnival Campaign: How The Rollicking 1840 Campaign of Tippecanoe and Tyler Too Changed Presidential Elections Forever.” Follow https://twitter.com/ronshafer1
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The most contentious transition before Trump and Biden: Herbert Hoover and FDR (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2020 OP
Sidebar, but I understand they now think it wasn't polio, but guillain-barre syndrome. unblock Nov 2020 #1
Interesting. murielm99 Nov 2020 #2
This is news to me. Thanks for writing. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2020 #3
I wouldn't take Wikipedia as a medical authority. There is a single book citation for this claim. hedda_foil Nov 2020 #4
i would guess than we'll never know for certain unblock Nov 2020 #6
Body language appalachiablue Nov 2020 #5

unblock

(52,126 posts)
1. Sidebar, but I understand they now think it wasn't polio, but guillain-barre syndrome.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 06:38 PM
Nov 2020

ETA:

In the wiki link, see the section on "paralytic illness"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
4. I wouldn't take Wikipedia as a medical authority. There is a single book citation for this claim.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 07:07 PM
Nov 2020

Goldman, Armond S.; Goldman, Daniel A. (2017). Prisoners of Time: The Misdiagnosis of FDR's 1921 Illness. EHDP Press. ISBN 978-1-939-82403-5.

If this were anywhere close to a definitive diagnosis, it would have many cites in medical journals and books. This is two authors' opinion

unblock

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6. i would guess than we'll never know for certain
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 07:11 PM
Nov 2020

maybe if the body is exhumed there might be some forensic indication still available after all the years, but i don't see that happening.

i agree that the gbs theory is at best an analysis of old reports and such and therefore is hardly medically conclusive.

that said, there are other cites, see here and links within:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27178375/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26508622/

there appear to be arguments on both sides.

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