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Do YOU Think Pence will Defend Our Democracy?
Neal K. Katyal and John Monsky
Dec. 29, 2020
New York Times
Will Pence Do the Right Thing?
President Trump recently tweeted that the Justice Department and FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, followed by these more ominous lines: Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th.
The unmistakable reference is to the day Congress will count the Electoral Colleges votes, with Vice President Mike Pence presiding. Mr. Trump is leaning on the vice president and congressional allies to invalidate the November election by throwing out duly certified votes for Joe Biden.
Mr. Pence thus far has not said he would do anything like that, but his language is worrisome. Last week, he said: Were going to keep fighting until every legal vote is counted. Were going to win Georgia, were going to save America, as a crowd screamed, Stop the steal.
Mr. Trump himself has criticized virtually everyones view of the election, from that of the Supreme Court to the F.B.I. to Senator Mitch McConnell, but he has never attacked Mr. Pence, suggesting he has hopes for the vice president.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/opinion/pence-electoral-college-votes-.html
President Trump recently tweeted that the Justice Department and FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, followed by these more ominous lines: Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th.
The unmistakable reference is to the day Congress will count the Electoral Colleges votes, with Vice President Mike Pence presiding. Mr. Trump is leaning on the vice president and congressional allies to invalidate the November election by throwing out duly certified votes for Joe Biden.
Mr. Pence thus far has not said he would do anything like that, but his language is worrisome. Last week, he said: Were going to keep fighting until every legal vote is counted. Were going to win Georgia, were going to save America, as a crowd screamed, Stop the steal.
Mr. Trump himself has criticized virtually everyones view of the election, from that of the Supreme Court to the F.B.I. to Senator Mitch McConnell, but he has never attacked Mr. Pence, suggesting he has hopes for the vice president.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/opinion/pence-electoral-college-votes-.html
To be sure, Messrs. Katyal and Monsky go on to state that ".....as a matter of constitutional text and history, any effort on Jan. 6 is doomed to fail. It would also be profoundly anti-democratic and unconstitutional." What troubles me is that anti-democratic and unconstitutional has pretty much been the modus operandi of the entire Trump administration!
Maybe you think I'm being a Nervous Nellie. Maybe you think I'm subconsciously concern-trolling. Hell, I don't know, maybe you'd be right on both counts.
But we all know Donnie, and we all know he'll do anything to retain power. We also know that the GOP, from Pence on down, has been disgustingly servile to the Fat Orange Nutjob. So, fool or not, I simply must ask: Do you believe the next three weeks are going to flow smoothly? Or do you suspect that Serious Shit will Ensue before Joe Biden becomes POTUS on Jan 20?
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Do YOU Think Pence will Defend Our Democracy? (Original Post)
Skeptical Thomas
Dec 2020
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Pachamama
(17,544 posts)1. No... no I am not...
I have long believed that Pence is even more dangerous than Trump and was picked by Manafort for a reason...
Skeptical Thomas
(82 posts)3. More Dangerous than Donnie?
Gotta disagree with ya there, my friend. But Mikey's slavish loyalty to Trump is very dangerous.
Walleye
(44,079 posts)4. Now that Manafort is pardoned, we should ask him about that under oath
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marie999
(3,334 posts)2. It's over, Biden will be president.
stonecutter357
(13,008 posts)6. Pence is a racist pig just like trump !
Nitram
(27,337 posts)7. No, Pence will do nothing to defend democracy. But he can't stop the count.
He's the envelope-opener. Period. If he tries to do more than that, the Sergeant-at-Arms will escort him out of the room.
Skittles
(170,256 posts)8. it's just theater for Trump cultists
Pence is well aware he has to play the game up to a certain point.
