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Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:04 AM

The Unvaxxed NEED to face economic consequences

In trying to justify the government's actions to slow the spread of Covid, the comparison of the seatbelt law is often used as an example of a commonsense rule that the government imposed for public safety that we all have agreed to follow.
But we forget that the seatbelt law was hardly eagerly embraced by the public. Of course, we had no Fox News to clamour about tyranny, no Tucker to tell us to call Child Protection Services if we saw a child restrained in a seatbelt. But there definitely was resistance to comply with the law. Many saw it as an intrusive inconvenience into their personal lives (my body, my choice, if you will). So what finally won over those beltless, freedom-loving drivers? Was it data that showed that the belts did indeed save lives? Was it the PSA commercials on our TVs, showing crash-test dummies flying through windshields in slow motion?
No. What finally won them over was the simple slogan "Click It or Ticket!". It was the enforcement in the form of fines, fines that dramatically increased with each infraction, that ultimately made the US population into a nation of seatbelt wearers. Also, the knowledge that their auto insurers may not pay for injuries to an unrestrained client.
So, Joe was right to make Covid vaccinations a condition of employment for many Americans. THE UNVAXXED NEED TO FACE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES!
Raise their health insurance premiums. Make vaccinations a condition for Medicare and Medicaid. Make their children show proof of vaccination to enter public schools.

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Reply The Unvaxxed NEED to face economic consequences (Original post)
70sEraVet Sep 16 OP
samnsara Sep 16 #1
The Jungle 1 Sep 16 #2
colsohlibgal Sep 16 #3
Wicked Blue Sep 16 #4
SergeStorms Sep 16 #15
usaf-vet Sep 16 #18
empedocles Sep 16 #5
Blue Owl Sep 16 #6
Sherman A1 Sep 16 #7
CaptainTruth Sep 16 #8
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 16 #14
IronLionZion Sep 16 #9
rdking647 Sep 16 #10
Post removed Sep 16 #11
70sEraVet Sep 16 #12
oldsoftie Sep 16 #17
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 16 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Sep 16 #16
oldsoftie Sep 16 #21
Laura PourMeADrink Sep 16 #24
oldsoftie Sep 17 #27
OMGWTF Sep 16 #19
BlueIdaho Sep 16 #20
tmaynardr Sep 16 #22
70sEraVet Sep 16 #25
modrepub Sep 16 #23
More_Cowbell Sep 16 #26

Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:16 AM

1. i agree!

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:19 AM

2. I agree completely they need to pay for the higher risk they are causing this nation.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:34 AM

3. Totally Agree

Unless there is a legitimate medical reason anyone refusing a free effective vaccine, as well as a good deal of them refusing to mask up.....need to pay for the countless deaths they have caused and extending this Pandemic.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:52 AM

4. One consequence: deprive them of Fox News

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:37 AM

15. Better yet....

sentence them to watch MSNBC for 7 days. Maybe a stiff dose of the truth will change their minds from "GQP DUMB" to "DEMOCRATIC INFORMED".

Just taking away their GQP propaganda privileges for a short time will only make them miss it more, and they'd double up on their propaganda when it's restored.

Somehow we have to get these people off the GQP lies and plug them into the truth for a period of time.

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:46 AM

18. That alone would solve a world of problems for those who live in the world of Reality & Science.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:58 AM

5. Yes

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:32 AM

6. K&R

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:50 AM

7. Agreed

At every level. They should be denied access to public transport and venues. Make the second class citizens.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:53 AM

8. "Mask It or Casket!"

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:37 AM

14. Catchy

I like it.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:15 AM

9. Except when it affects someone else

Parents often make this decision for kids. Some of whom are already orphaned by this pandemic or lost their grandparents.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:22 AM

10. more than economic consequences

 

they should be ineligible for hospital covid care.
im at that point. im sick and tired of the plague rats

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Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:34 AM

12. What difference would more different vaccines make?

We're already tossing huge quantities of unused vaccines. Having more brands of vaccines would only compound that. An anti-vaxxer is an anti-vaxxer. The brand of vaccine isn't going to change that.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:45 AM

17. The vaccines we have are better than the others in the world

while I agree that people here can go over board on a lot of things, its silly to say "we need more vaccines" when what we HAVE is already better than the others. Definitely better than what China uses

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:34 AM

13. Totally agree

Make it painful to not be vaccinated.
Painful for the wallet.
And if they go to the hospital get them out of ICU's and put them in a tent outside to be tended by unvaxxed nurses with a refrigerated truck parked nearby . And bill them or thier families or next of kin if they die dispite treatment they received.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:43 AM

16. So much data it would be great to know. Like are breakthrough patients

getting it from unvaccinated infected carriers? Speaking of course of the vaccinated people who know specifically where they got it.

Locally, our hospitalizations of vaccinated people have risen from 8% to 18.1% in the last month.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:54 AM

21. We've averaged about 10% for some time now.

Our local numbers are dropping. We'll see what happens next week though because that'll be 2 weeks since labor day. We averaged patients in the 130s 2 weeks ago, last week avg in the 120s, so far this week we are in the 100s.
I think we will start seeing numbers drop as more are either vaccinated or survive an infection. And then Covid will become like the "regular' flu; something you dont want, but not overwhelming the system like now. the sad thing is that more folks will die because its taking so long to get most vaccinated.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:58 AM

24. What state? I think our percentage of hospitalized

Vaccinated of 18.1% is bad. And couple that with the fact that only 47% of the people are vaccinated. It makes it even worse

Not sure if that's entirely true that we will see a true diminishing of severity. I mean as vaccination rates rise. I hope so. Yet my vaccinated f i l is laying in a rehab hospital half paralyzed as we speak. But everyone's right, he hasn't died.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:07 AM

27. I'm in GA.

I look at our local county numbers every weekday. 2 weeks ago we started at 139, yesterday we were at 102; 11 of those are vaccinated. I wish they'd break down the numbers a little more; like age groups & pre-existing conditions., but i know they're sensitive to privacy stuff.
But yeah, even being vaccinated I still do worry about catching it. I started wearing the mask more often. I'm going to a concert end of the month and masks are required. So we see the required "I'll never come there for a show again" posts on their FB page. These people dont realize if they keep dropping options that require a mask or a shot, eventually they'll just be sitting at home on their ass. Fine.
But I digress............

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:50 AM

19. And they go to the end of the line if they get sick with Covid.

They made their choice.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:53 AM

20. They need to get out of our hospitals.

They are not only dying from Covid while taking up huge amounts of staff time and medical supplies, they are killing other patients with critical health issues like heart disease and cancer who are being denied beds.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:58 AM

22. Even those recovered from COVID?

Are we lumping unvaxed in with those that have recovered from SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19? Is natural immunity not enough?

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:33 PM

25. Back to the seatbelt analogy; "But what if I've already BEEN in an accident?"

Seriously, I don't if anyone can say for a certainty at this point whether a natural immunity is better or longer lasting than a vaccine.
Here's a link to a study done in Isreal, that seems to conclude that a combination of natural immunity AND vaccine offers the most effective protection. But I'm not willing to expose myself to the virus to test it!
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what-kind-of-immunity-offers-the-highest-protection

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:27 AM

23. Posting the Price of ICU Care

at the local hospital should be incentive enough to get (a free) vaccine. As a side benefit, posting prices will remind everyone how expensive our healthcare system is.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:36 PM

26. Seatbelt fines were imposed on the driver

In my opinion, that's one reason they worked. I was in college at the time and I had friends who would refuse to start the car until everyone had their seatbelt on. It was hard to say "I don't feel like wearing one" when you were looking at the face of the driver who might get ticketed.

I can't express how SELDOM anyone wore seat belts when I was growing up.

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