The Unvaxxed NEED to face economic consequences
In trying to justify the government's actions to slow the spread of Covid, the comparison of the seatbelt law is often used as an example of a commonsense rule that the government imposed for public safety that we all have agreed to follow.
But we forget that the seatbelt law was hardly eagerly embraced by the public. Of course, we had no Fox News to clamour about tyranny, no Tucker to tell us to call Child Protection Services if we saw a child restrained in a seatbelt. But there definitely was resistance to comply with the law. Many saw it as an intrusive inconvenience into their personal lives (my body, my choice, if you will). So what finally won over those beltless, freedom-loving drivers? Was it data that showed that the belts did indeed save lives? Was it the PSA commercials on our TVs, showing crash-test dummies flying through windshields in slow motion?
No. What finally won them over was the simple slogan "Click It or Ticket!". It was the enforcement in the form of fines, fines that dramatically increased with each infraction, that ultimately made the US population into a nation of seatbelt wearers. Also, the knowledge that their auto insurers may not pay for injuries to an unrestrained client.
So, Joe was right to make Covid vaccinations a condition of employment for many Americans. THE UNVAXXED NEED TO FACE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES!
Raise their health insurance premiums. Make vaccinations a condition for Medicare and Medicaid. Make their children show proof of vaccination to enter public schools.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Unless there is a legitimate medical reason anyone refusing a free effective vaccine, as well as a good deal of them refusing to mask up.....need to pay for the countless deaths they have caused and extending this Pandemic.
Wicked Blue
(5,830 posts)SergeStorms
(19,192 posts)sentence them to watch MSNBC for 7 days. Maybe a stiff dose of the truth will change their minds from "GQP DUMB" to "DEMOCRATIC INFORMED".
Just taking away their GQP propaganda privileges for a short time will only make them miss it more, and they'd double up on their propaganda when it's restored.
Somehow we have to get these people off the GQP lies and plug them into the truth for a period of time.
usaf-vet
(6,178 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Blue Owl
(50,340 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)At every level. They should be denied access to public transport and venues. Make the second class citizens.
CaptainTruth
(6,583 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)I like it.
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)Parents often make this decision for kids. Some of whom are already orphaned by this pandemic or lost their grandparents.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)they should be ineligible for hospital covid care.
im at that point. im sick and tired of the plague rats
Response to 70sEraVet (Original post)
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70sEraVet
(3,483 posts)We're already tossing huge quantities of unused vaccines. Having more brands of vaccines would only compound that. An anti-vaxxer is an anti-vaxxer. The brand of vaccine isn't going to change that.
oldsoftie
(12,523 posts)while I agree that people here can go over board on a lot of things, its silly to say "we need more vaccines" when what we HAVE is already better than the others. Definitely better than what China uses
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Make it painful to not be vaccinated.
Painful for the wallet.
And if they go to the hospital get them out of ICU's and put them in a tent outside to be tended by unvaxxed nurses with a refrigerated truck parked nearby . And bill them or thier families or next of kin if they die dispite treatment they received.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)getting it from unvaccinated infected carriers? Speaking of course of the vaccinated people who know specifically where they got it.
Locally, our hospitalizations of vaccinated people have risen from 8% to 18.1% in the last month.
oldsoftie
(12,523 posts)Our local numbers are dropping. We'll see what happens next week though because that'll be 2 weeks since labor day. We averaged patients in the 130s 2 weeks ago, last week avg in the 120s, so far this week we are in the 100s.
I think we will start seeing numbers drop as more are either vaccinated or survive an infection. And then Covid will become like the "regular' flu; something you dont want, but not overwhelming the system like now. the sad thing is that more folks will die because its taking so long to get most vaccinated.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Vaccinated of 18.1% is bad. And couple that with the fact that only 47% of the people are vaccinated. It makes it even worse
Not sure if that's entirely true that we will see a true diminishing of severity. I mean as vaccination rates rise. I hope so. Yet my vaccinated f i l is laying in a rehab hospital half paralyzed as we speak. But everyone's right, he hasn't died.
oldsoftie
(12,523 posts)I look at our local county numbers every weekday. 2 weeks ago we started at 139, yesterday we were at 102; 11 of those are vaccinated. I wish they'd break down the numbers a little more; like age groups & pre-existing conditions., but i know they're sensitive to privacy stuff.
But yeah, even being vaccinated I still do worry about catching it. I started wearing the mask more often. I'm going to a concert end of the month and masks are required. So we see the required "I'll never come there for a show again" posts on their FB page. These people dont realize if they keep dropping options that require a mask or a shot, eventually they'll just be sitting at home on their ass. Fine.
But I digress............
OMGWTF
(3,949 posts)They made their choice.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)They are not only dying from Covid while taking up huge amounts of staff time and medical supplies, they are killing other patients with critical health issues like heart disease and cancer who are being denied beds.
tmaynardr
(31 posts)Are we lumping unvaxed in with those that have recovered from SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19? Is natural immunity not enough?
70sEraVet
(3,483 posts)Seriously, I don't if anyone can say for a certainty at this point whether a natural immunity is better or longer lasting than a vaccine.
Here's a link to a study done in Isreal, that seems to conclude that a combination of natural immunity AND vaccine offers the most effective protection. But I'm not willing to expose myself to the virus to test it!
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what-kind-of-immunity-offers-the-highest-protection
modrepub
(3,493 posts)at the local hospital should be incentive enough to get (a free) vaccine. As a side benefit, posting prices will remind everyone how expensive our healthcare system is.
More_Cowbell
(2,190 posts)In my opinion, that's one reason they worked. I was in college at the time and I had friends who would refuse to start the car until everyone had their seatbelt on. It was hard to say "I don't feel like wearing one" when you were looking at the face of the driver who might get ticketed.
I can't express how SELDOM anyone wore seat belts when I was growing up.