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demmiblue

(36,915 posts)
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 08:47 AM Dec 2021

Two Jan. 6 Organizers Are Coming Forward and Naming Names: 'We're Turning It All Over'

After losing faith in Trump, the pair plan to hand over text messages, Instagram direct messages, and other documents related to the planning of the Jan. 6 rally on the Ellipse where Trump spoke

Two key organizers of the main Jan. 6 rally in Washington, D.C. are coming in from the cold.

Dustin Stockton and Jennifer Lynn Lawrence are set to testify next week before the House select committee investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol. The pair will deliver testimony and turn over documents, including text messages, that indicate the extensive involvement members of Congress and the Trump administration had in planning the House challenge to certifying Biden’s election and rally near the White House where Donald Trump spoke — efforts that ultimately contributed to a massive and violent attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Among the documents the couple is providing are conversations they had with staffers and members of Congress as they planned the main rally that took place on the White House Ellipse that day. Stockton described these discussions as largely logistical and focused on planning the members’ participation in objections to the electoral certification on the House floor and various events that were staged to protest against the election. They include Instagram messages Lawrence exchanged with Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) as she tried to get him to speak at the Ellipse rally. Cawthorn, whose office did not immediately respond to a request for comment, ultimately appeared on stage at that event.

“We’re turning it all over and we’ll let the cards fall where they may,” Stockton says.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/jan6-rally-trump-2020-election-capitol-congress-gosar-1253392/



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Two Jan. 6 Organizers Are Coming Forward and Naming Names: 'We're Turning It All Over' (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2021 OP
I hope these folks are in the witness protection system PJMcK Dec 2021 #1
My thought exactly as I was reading the information. They should have kept in silent about it Escurumbele Dec 2021 #10
They're safer to make their intentions public so as to prevent "accidents"; they get security now. ancianita Dec 2021 #36
This is HUGE Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 #2
You won't hear much about it from the mainstream media, is my guess. BComplex Dec 2021 #13
I think it is more because there is still more to gather right now... everyone is playing it close secondwind Dec 2021 #19
If the info is valuable, the Committee will make it public at the appropriate time Raven123 Dec 2021 #15
Exactly.. I agree with you.. secondwind Dec 2021 #20
Domino effect. twodogsbarking Dec 2021 #3
Get on the safer side of save my ass from a sedition sentence elias7 Dec 2021 #4
One unplanned question of one underling revealed Nixon's recordings sanatanadharma Dec 2021 #5
Meanwhile Fox anchors were concerned about the optics and effect on marketing bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #6
They had to set their christmas tree afire.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #26
'planning the rally' stopdiggin Dec 2021 #7
"that indicate the extensive involvement members of Congress" Botany Dec 2021 #8
Dustin Stockton and Jennifer Lynn Lawrence with Rep. Paul Gosar. Goonch Dec 2021 #9
Stockton's jacket reads.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #28
Noting Loo-sar's trumpian red tie The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2021 #40
...but I thought if secret information gab13by13 Dec 2021 #11
K&R 2naSalit Dec 2021 #12
Truth WILL out ! TeamProg Dec 2021 #14
Folks, nothing is going to come of this. Jon King Dec 2021 #16
You maybe should reconsider your post? gab13by13 Dec 2021 #17
"YA THINK " ! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #43
It will certainly be a test. So far I am not even a little satisfied twodogsbarking Dec 2021 #21
Sorry, I disagree KS Toronado Dec 2021 #22
You entitled to your opinion. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #24
very tired of these "it's hopeless" posts RussBLib Dec 2021 #33
dooms day people at their best ! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #44
Any surprise Traildogbob Dec 2021 #18
Nice to hear, but we'll see what comes of it... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #23
Time is running out for the Trump Treason Train. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #25
The word "rally" gives zentrum Dec 2021 #27
Anything in writing -- among congress people; among congress people & WH people -- that shows ancianita Dec 2021 #37
Thanks, will think about obstruction zentrum Dec 2021 #39
From the article. jalan48 Dec 2021 #29
Rep. Madison Cawthorn... GB_RN Dec 2021 #30
What I believe people are missing is that they rally was PLANNED under the guise (hope) flying_wahini Dec 2021 #31
I remember dweller Dec 2021 #34
don't forget they did NOT have a permit to march to the capital from the rally scarytomcat Dec 2021 #35
+1000 ancianita Dec 2021 #38
Good!!! Get it all out!!! CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #32
May it continue on and on and on. BeckyDem Dec 2021 #41
Twitter reply: Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #42

Escurumbele

(3,412 posts)
10. My thought exactly as I was reading the information. They should have kept in silent about it
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:27 AM
Dec 2021

until after their appearance in front of the committee.

I hope, like you said, they are being protected.

ancianita

(36,223 posts)
36. They're safer to make their intentions public so as to prevent "accidents"; they get security now.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 03:55 PM
Dec 2021

BComplex

(8,087 posts)
13. You won't hear much about it from the mainstream media, is my guess.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:36 AM
Dec 2021

It doesn't support the republican lies.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
19. I think it is more because there is still more to gather right now... everyone is playing it close
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:35 AM
Dec 2021

the vest... and that includes the DOJ.. Remember that Trump put quite a few people IN the DOJ...

Raven123

(4,932 posts)
15. If the info is valuable, the Committee will make it public at the appropriate time
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:44 AM
Dec 2021

It was poetic and poignant that Liz Cheney was the member who quoted the FOX news texts to Meadows. That’s all over the MSM this morning. I think the Committee has a plan to ensure the info gets the attention it deserves. The balance is quality versus quantity.i think the slow ratcheting up of exposure is based on how clearly the picture is coming into focus.

sanatanadharma

(3,759 posts)
5. One unplanned question of one underling revealed Nixon's recordings
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:02 AM
Dec 2021

That one data-point from Butterfield turned out to be the thread that needed to be pulled in order to tear away the curtain of a Republican's undermining of America; Nixon's criminality.

The January 6th insurrection has numerous underlings with knowledge. It only takes one answer to change the trajectory and momentum of indictments.

SergeStorms

(19,205 posts)
26. They had to set their christmas tree afire....
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:26 AM
Dec 2021

to deflect the negative criticism coming their way.

Maybe......who knows? I put nothing past Murdoch's crew of seditionists.

stopdiggin

(11,414 posts)
7. 'planning the rally'
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:07 AM
Dec 2021

and efforts to block certification are thoroughly in the public domain and have been discussed extensively. This might add a couple of names to the list of participants - but there is certainly nothing revelatory here. Draw a line connecting these people and planned violence .....

Botany

(70,646 posts)
8. "that indicate the extensive involvement members of Congress"
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:20 AM
Dec 2021

Get their names "out there" if they took part in the coup and demand that they are
removed from the Government ASAP.

I don't think Dustin Stockton and Jennifer Lynn Lawrence want to die on the hill
call 1/6/21. They look slimy but if they give up some of the big fish fine. Let 'em
walk.

SergeStorms

(19,205 posts)
28. Stockton's jacket reads....
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:34 AM
Dec 2021

"BOSS MAN", and on the left side, "THE MIRACLE OF TRUMP".

If The Orange Pig is a "miracle", their "religion" certainly is in trouble.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
16. Folks, nothing is going to come of this.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:17 AM
Dec 2021

I mean seriously, even Matt Gaetz faced no charges, even after his buddy supposedly got that sweet plea deal for giving all sorts of evidence. Bannon and Meadows will run out the clock with ease using the court system.

None of this will result in anything criminal because its almost impossible to prove intent. Hard to show the organizers intended the attack to unfold without any reasonable doubt. They can say they organized a rally, not an attack and no jury will convict them without some hold outs.

Meanwhile, inflation just came in at 9.6%. If every Dem candidate is not laser focused on the economy, inflation, crime, borders, we are going to get slaughtered in 2022 like rarely seen before.

This 1-6 stuff is important to document for history but is not going to result in anything criminally or help our prospects for keeping the House.

twodogsbarking

(9,929 posts)
21. It will certainly be a test. So far I am not even a little satisfied
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:41 AM
Dec 2021

Your comment may be true but only time will tell. Food for thought. Sometimes optimism is outdone by reality.

KS Toronado

(17,462 posts)
22. Sorry, I disagree
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:41 AM
Dec 2021

When the Jan 6th Select Committee starts their live broadcasting, MSM will finally have to start reporting on
how vile and corrupt Rs really are and because of this we win big in the midterms.

ShazzieB

(16,646 posts)
24. You entitled to your opinion.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:44 AM
Dec 2021

But at the end of the day, that's all it is: an opinion. Insisting it's a settled fact won't change that.

Traildogbob

(8,893 posts)
18. Any surprise
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:32 AM
Dec 2021

Cawthorn is neck deep in this. He replaced Meadows in the same NC district. Pods and Peas. MAGA’s are so proud here in district 11. Home of treason, and destruction of the nation. Just a little rural mountain district with the power to attempt a total collapse of democracy. (Heavily armed). LOCK those Two away.

Wounded Bear

(58,778 posts)
23. Nice to hear, but we'll see what comes of it...
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:43 AM
Dec 2021

It appears they may have a couple/few more names to depose, but if this is all about prelims to the rally at the ellipse, it doesn't necessarily follow that it will have info about the attack on the capitol.

As was noted above, though, it was low level participants that led up the chain to the Watergate revelations, so maybe this leads to something.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
27. The word "rally" gives
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:27 AM
Dec 2021

......them all cover. A rally is not an insurrection. You're allowed to have demonstrations and rallies. Of course you need police permission, I assume.
But doing it anyway is still not an insurrection.

So, when it became clearly a treasonous insurrection, these two and the Congress Pugs will say "we were as surprized as anyone when it turned violent.

Proving intent can be difficult.

This is not a slam dunk yet.

ancianita

(36,223 posts)
37. Anything in writing -- among congress people; among congress people & WH people -- that shows
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 04:08 PM
Dec 2021

forethought to stop the electoral vote confirmation -- as in "stop the steal" -- will be chargeable as conspiracy to obstruct, with their involvement in rally planning as their cover. They knew before Jan 6 that there was no election steal, and they knew militias would be part of the Jan 6 mix; they knew to show rally goers the way into congressional chambers.

The charge will be obstruction, not insurrection. But imo, it should be sedition.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
39. Thanks, will think about obstruction
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 05:28 PM
Dec 2021

.....vs. insurrection. Hope something finally comes of it----after dragging on and on and on.

jalan48

(13,910 posts)
29. From the article.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:45 AM
Dec 2021

"Nothing in the documents viewed by Rolling Stone or the couple’s statements revealed any planning for, or coordination with, the violent attack on the Capitol by Trump supporters."

GB_RN

(2,409 posts)
30. Rep. Madison Cawthorn...
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:48 AM
Dec 2021

Aka "MadCaw" (pronounced Mad Cow) is from my state, but not my rep. I'll be glad to see his ass tossed in the clink over this shit.

OT Hijack: MadCaw's been working with tRump to try and influence the Congressional elections and get more goons like him elected with the new highly gerrymandered districts that the General Assembly just approved. Fortunately, the state Supreme Court has put that shit on hold and is likely to strike them down as illegal under the state's constitutional requirement for free and fair elections.

flying_wahini

(6,701 posts)
31. What I believe people are missing is that they rally was PLANNED under the guise (hope)
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:56 AM
Dec 2021

that antifa folks would be there in droves and a fight WOULD break out
then the patriots would Save Us All. The problem was that the BLM/Dems folks didn’t show up.
That there was no fight to start meant the Oaf Keepers had to go to the Capitol to prove their point.
I was trying to remember who asked the Dems to stay at home and not engage them.
Anyone remember?

dweller

(23,702 posts)
34. I remember
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:41 PM
Dec 2021

It was stated often here on DU that it would be unwise to attend, but you are right, there was some discussion out there also …



✌🏻

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
35. don't forget they did NOT have a permit to march to the capital from the rally
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 01:56 PM
Dec 2021

anyone that said to go there and fight was stirring up trouble and caused the riot

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