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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:22 PM Jan 2022

Bernie Sanders says Democrats are failing: 'The party has turned its back on the working class'



(snip)

“We have tried a strategy over the last several months, which has been mostly backdoor negotiations with a handful of senators,” Sanders said. “It hasn’t succeeded on Build Back Better or on voting rights. It has demoralized millions of Americans.”

He called for reviving a robust version of Build Back Better and also called for holding votes on individual parts of that legislation that would help working-class Americans. “We have to bring these things to the floor,” Sanders said. “The vast majority of people in the [Democratic] caucus are willing to fight for good policy.”

Sanders added: “If I were Senator Sinema and a vote came up to lower the outrageously high cost of prescription drugs, I’d think twice if I want to get re-elected in Arizona to vote against that. If I were Mr Manchin and I know that tens of thousands of struggling families in West Virginia benefited from the expansion of the child tax credit, I’d think long and hard before I voted against it.”

Sanders also called for legislation on another issue he has championed: having Medicare provide dental, vision and hearing benefits. “All these issues, they are just not Bernie Sanders standing up and saying this would be a great thing,” he said. “They are issues that are enormously popular, and on every one of them, the Republicans are in opposition. But a lot of people don’t know that because the Republicans haven’t been forced to vote on them.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/10/bernie-sanders-democrats-failing-working-class-interview

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Bernie Sanders says Democrats are failing: 'The party has turned its back on the working class' (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2022 OP
See this is why Bernie is such a mess himself - OhZone Jan 2022 #1
This isn't just about Manchin and Sinema, it's for the American People Uncle Joe Jan 2022 #4
We all know it's for the American people - OhZone Jan 2022 #8
Without a doubt he wants it to pass Uncle Joe Jan 2022 #15
hold the votes sure qazplm135 Jan 2022 #20
Yeah - OhZone Jan 2022 #24
The people want results, not a show vote. Moebym Jan 2022 #36
+++ sheshe2 Jan 2022 #37
Why does the headline bash the whole party and not the two main... brush Jan 2022 #2
My thoughts as well! It's not the Dems..it's 2 that vote or don't with their preferred party PortTack Jan 2022 #5
He doesn't comprehend what a 50-50 Senate means, with two Democratic Senators being the obstacle JohnSJ Jan 2022 #7
He Doesn't Want To Comprehend Me. Jan 2022 #25
That's always been his strategy. Sanders has nothing but comradebillyboy Jan 2022 #12
And, when the Midterms are coming Cha Jan 2022 #27
He can't help himself. we can do it Jan 2022 #3
:) Fundamentally true, but this is also him messaging his anti-Democratic Hortensis Jan 2022 #46
Perhaps Senator Sanders doesn't understand what a 50-50 Senate means. It isn't rocket science JohnSJ Jan 2022 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #10
Yes JohnSJ Jan 2022 #13
He apparently just wants a show vote - OhZone Jan 2022 #11
The people want results, not a show vote. Moebym Jan 2022 #31
. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #9
Ever wonder why Sen. Sanders has so few legislative accomplishments? comradebillyboy Jan 2022 #14
Not a team player...sounds a lot like manchin/sinema blockade. nt childfreebychoice Jan 2022 #22
He's absolutely right. liberalmuse Jan 2022 #16
What's his record on writing & introducing legislation? He's had 30+ yrs to build such creds Budi Jan 2022 #19
only manchin and sinoma have turned their backs on the working class and democracy samsingh Jan 2022 #17
Can he write the legislation he's calling for? Budi Jan 2022 #18
He's spent more time on TV doing interviews Moebym Jan 2022 #33
Don't get it twisted sanders, manchin and sinema r childfreebychoice Jan 2022 #21
"Bernie Sanders says Democrats are failing: Sanders also called for legislation.... George II Jan 2022 #23
I don't see the party as turning its back, I see fifty-two assholes ruining everything. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2022 #26
He's Wrong. I can't imagine Cha Jan 2022 #28
I am with you on that. sheshe2 Jan 2022 #34
K&R CentralMass Jan 2022 #29
You're one of us, Bernie. Supposedly. Moebym Jan 2022 #30
Note how he reached way back pre-pandemic to dust off that old campaign slogan. Budi Jan 2022 #40
I'm Grateful for Pres Biden! Cha Jan 2022 #32
The nerve of this man (and his supporters). Moebym Jan 2022 #35
You are quick to paint peope with a broad brush. The progressive members of both houses CentralMass Jan 2022 #38
No they have not ALL supported Biden. Budi Jan 2022 #42
"It's Rigged" became a regular campaign slogan. Budi Jan 2022 #41
The Biden Boom! Who's Paying Attention!? Cha Jan 2022 #39
Well would you look at this! Can someone send this off to Bernie Sanders? Budi Jan 2022 #43
Exactly.. he really needs to Pay Cha Jan 2022 #44
McCarthy Is Already Planning To Strip Committee Assignments From Schiff, Swalwell & Omar Cha Jan 2022 #45

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
1. See this is why Bernie is such a mess himself -
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jan 2022

Am I wrong seeing this as "magical thinking" - that just bring these up for a vote will FORCE Sinema or Manchin to cooperate??

Oh well.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
4. This isn't just about Manchin and Sinema, it's for the American People
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:32 PM
Jan 2022


(snip)

Such votes would be good policy and good politics, the Vermont senator insisted, saying they would show the Democrats battling for the working class while highlighting Republican opposition to hugely popular policies.

“It is no great secret that the Republican party is winning more and more support from working people,” Sanders said. “It’s not because the Republican party has anything to say to them. It’s because in too many ways the Democratic party has turned its back on the working class.”

(snip)

The individual bills that Sanders favors might not attract the 60 votes needed to overcome a Republican filibuster, and a defeat on them could embarrass the Democrats. But Sanders, chairman of the Senate budget committee and one of the nation’s most prominent progressive voices, said, “People can understand that you sometimes don’t have the votes. But they can’t understand why we haven’t brought up important legislation that 70 or 80% of the American people support.”

Sanders spoke to the Guardian on 6 January, the same day he issued a statement that the best way to safeguard our democracy is not just to enact legislation that protects voting rights, but to address the concerns of “the vast majority of Americans” for whom “there is a disconnect between the realities of their lives and what goes on in Washington”.

(snip)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/10/bernie-sanders-democrats-failing-working-class-interview

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
8. We all know it's for the American people -
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:45 PM
Jan 2022

So he just wants a show vote - and doesn't care if it passes?

Oh-k.

So he just wants propaganda and not actual success.

That explains everything.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
15. Without a doubt he wants it to pass
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jan 2022

but politics and policy are inextricably tied together.

The American People lose track if you don't at the very least have "show" votes on highly popular and relevant issues of the day affecting their lives.

It's all about accountability for the American People because propaganda does affect policy and vice versa.

Once you lose the ability to effectively hold politicians accountable, the people become disenfranchised with government and the Republicans win.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
20. hold the votes sure
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:47 PM
Jan 2022

and when they are held, and fail, I expect Sanders to NOT blame "the Democratic Party."

Deal?

Moebym

(989 posts)
36. The people want results, not a show vote.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:30 PM
Jan 2022

They are aware of Manchin and Sinema's treachery, and don't need a show vote to hold them accountable.

In fact, I can guarantee you that this show vote, should it fail, will reduce the people's trust in Congress even further.

brush

(53,764 posts)
2. Why does the headline bash the whole party and not the two main...
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:29 PM
Jan 2022

roadblocks to BBB passing—Manching and Sinema?

Is Bernie going back to his old strategy of "fighting against the Democratic Party establishment?"

JohnSJ

(92,136 posts)
7. He doesn't comprehend what a 50-50 Senate means, with two Democratic Senators being the obstacle
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:44 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. :) Fundamentally true, but this is also him messaging his anti-Democratic
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 11:13 PM
Jan 2022

followers to keep them reassured he's really one of them.

He's walking a tightrope between helping Democrats stop a RW authoritarian putsch, which his Democratic followers point to proudly, and holding onto his anti-Democratic, anti-establishment populist followers, who emphatically do not.

We should remember that tRump is who he'd lose a critical number of them to, just as in 2016. Probably will at election anyway, those who came back to him. No doubt some stayed with the RW populist leader.

JohnSJ

(92,136 posts)
6. Perhaps Senator Sanders doesn't understand what a 50-50 Senate means. It isn't rocket science
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jan 2022

Bernie.

You are from Vermont, not Arizonia or West Virginia, and you are NOT Sinema or Manchin. If you were there wouldn't be this issue.

What makes him think that reviving a robust BBB will change the views of Sinema or Manchin? A year ago when there was a robust version, they rejected it outright, and there is no evidence that their views have changed, but instead have become even more entrenched in their positions.

The headline that "Democrats are failing", is misleading, divisive and unhelpful. The problem is two Senators in a 50-50 Senate

As for bringing up individual votes on these issues, we have three chances to do that, because Congress can pass up to three reconcilliation bills per year.








Response to JohnSJ (Reply #6)

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
11. He apparently just wants a show vote -
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:48 PM
Jan 2022

not real success.

Kinda follows his whole persona and history.

Oh well.

Moebym

(989 posts)
31. The people want results, not a show vote.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jan 2022

We dodged a bullet each time he lost the Democratic presidential primary.

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
14. Ever wonder why Sen. Sanders has so few legislative accomplishments?
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jan 2022

He's simply not capable of being a team player. He rejects incremental progress in favor of empty gestures.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
16. He's absolutely right.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jan 2022

Unfortunately saying all the right things does absolutely nothing to solve this country's major issues. I wish he were as relentless in the Senate as he is on Twitter.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
19. What's his record on writing & introducing legislation? He's had 30+ yrs to build such creds
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:09 PM
Jan 2022

I guess now that he's no longer a D, these 'failures' don't apply to him.

Jfc

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
18. Can he write the legislation he's calling for?
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:05 PM
Jan 2022

What's his record on writing & introducing legislation?
He should be able to easily do it with his 30+ yrs in our legislature.
Demanding & doing the work to make it happen is the key to credibility.
Otherwise its just talk.

Moebym

(989 posts)
33. He's spent more time on TV doing interviews
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jan 2022

Than in the Senate actually working on getting the bill passed.

childfreebychoice

(476 posts)
21. Don't get it twisted sanders, manchin and sinema r
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:51 PM
Jan 2022

Failing the party, not dems. An aside, would love to know what a pres sanders would do about those two obstructionists

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. "Bernie Sanders says Democrats are failing: Sanders also called for legislation....
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:56 PM
Jan 2022

....on another issue he has championed"

Where does legislation originate?

BlueTsunami2018

(3,490 posts)
26. I don't see the party as turning its back, I see fifty-two assholes ruining everything.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:07 PM
Jan 2022

Perhaps he’s right though, get everyone on record. Let the people see who is in favor of helping them and who is opposed to it. Maybe with a stark look that cannot be denied, people might vote in favor of themselves. We’re never going to get the hardcore righties but maybe some of the soft support and indies will figure it out.

As it is, it looks like we’re not even trying.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
28. He's Wrong. I can't imagine
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 04:44 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:30 PM - Edit history (1)

the Democratic Party is ok with him broad brushing our Democratic Party.. I know I'm not.

Moebym

(989 posts)
30. You're one of us, Bernie. Supposedly.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jan 2022

You ran as a Democrat for president, twice.

You caucus with the Democrats in the Senate.

But when two conservative Dems are holding up the BBB - 4% of the Democratic caucus, meaning 96% of them are in support - you conveniently invoke your Independent party affiliation to criticize the party as a whole.

You don't think that, with your grandstanding, you aren't also letting the working class down?

Spare us this performance, Bernie. We've known from at least 2016 that you are all hat and no cattle.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
40. Note how he reached way back pre-pandemic to dust off that old campaign slogan.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:36 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Mon Jan 10, 2022, 07:13 PM - Edit history (1)

"Working class"

"Millionares & Billionares" was a populist campaign slogn too, until he became a millionare. Now its just billionares.

Wonder where he's got his millions invested?

Moebym

(989 posts)
35. The nerve of this man (and his supporters).
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 05:23 PM
Jan 2022

30+ years in the Senate, but he paints himself as "anti-establishment", which his supporters gleefully parrot without thinking.

In his 80s, but his supporters jeer at Biden and Pelosi for being octogenarian politicians.

Few notable achievements to his name over his lengthy career, yet he is on TV several times a week to complain about how Democrats are doing this or that the wrong way.

Independent party affiliation, but caucuses with Democrats and ran for president as a Democrat, twice. Americans rejected him twice, yet his supporters insist he was the rightful winner both times (sound familiar?).

But the media loves him for giving them endless fodder for pushing the "Democrats are weak and ineffective" narrative.

He is not an ally. True allies do not backstab as he has, many times.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
38. You are quick to paint peope with a broad brush. The progressive members of both houses
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jan 2022

have loyally supported President Biden and hus agenda a. Bernie supporters like myself voted for President Biden in the general and support him. However like any other elect the party should be held accountable to try and pass legislation for the agenda that the President ran on.
Including pressuring the one or two Senators that are blocking his agenda.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
42. No they have not ALL supported Biden.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:43 PM
Jan 2022

We have 6-9 who have consistantly voted lock step against Biden & House Democratic policies.
Just last week one of the progressive influencers appeared on a podcast declaring again, the "There's no difference between Republicans & Democrats."
So tell us how this is supporting Biden, again?

They are Not.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
43. Well would you look at this! Can someone send this off to Bernie Sanders?
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 06:47 PM
Jan 2022

Eric Boehlert's article really says what Bernie seems to totally have missed.

Thanks for posting this, because 'someone sure seems intent on countering the truth of Biden's success.

A counter to the truth is then a lie, correct?

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