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Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:11 AM

 

We need to be able to talk about trans athletes and women's sports

For those not familiar, hereís the situation: Thomas competed for the University of Pennsylvania menís team for three seasons, doing pretty well, although not well enough to hold the school records. Her times have slowed after more than a year of hormonal treatments, yet last month she blew away her competition and set four womenís school records in a single meet.

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Elsewhere, most people prefer to find something else to talk about, or else just carefully note that some people, though of course not the writer, feel it is unfair to make cisgender women compete against trans-female athletes. (The situation.) Beneath all the delicacy is the expectation that all this probably wonít matter very much ó that elite trans-female athletes will remain rare or that they wonít win too much. But, well, Lia Thomas. At some point, these questions have to be asked, and answered.

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Male puberty makes you taller, confers greater muscle and bone mass, larger heart and lung capacity relative to your size, and more hemoglobin. For cisgender men, this translates to roughly a 6 to 10 percent advantage over biological women in sports such as running and swimming, though the gap can be larger in other domains, and in a few sports female biology actually conveys some advantage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/13/trans-women-sports-uncomfortable-questions/

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janterry Jan 14 OP
jimfields33 Jan 14 #1
janterry Jan 14 #2
marie999 Jan 14 #3
ShazzieB Jan 14 #6
marie999 Jan 14 #7
ShazzieB Jan 14 #4
wildheart Jan 14 #8
cinematicdiversions Jan 14 #5

Response to janterry (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:20 AM

1. Doesn't matter. A female beat the records. Congratulations!

May even make the team stronger by getting into more competition having strong females on their teams.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:31 AM

2. It matters to the other women on the team

 

and all the other women whose records were defeated.

Science matters!

eta: and yes, the coach is apparently thrilled to be winning (according to the girls that went to the coach - privately - to complain. They say he only cares about winning)

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:26 AM

3. So, he couldn't win as a male for 3 years and then decided he was a female?

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Response to marie999 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:43 PM

6. She.

When referring to a trans person, you should use the pronouns that apply to their gender identity (or whatever pronouns they've chosen to use), not those they were assigned at birth.

No matter what your opinion are about trans people in sports, misgendering is not okay.

It's also unfair to make assumptions about the reasons for someone's transition. Combined with what appears to be deliberate misgendering at the same time is very much not okay. For more information, see https://transequality.org/issues/resources/supporting-the-transgender-people-in-your-life-a-guide-to-being-a-good-ally

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:47 PM

7. Thank you, I will be more considerate.

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Response to janterry (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:16 PM

4. Not all trans women go through male puberty.

Nowadays there are more and more trans kids (both m to f and f to m) who take puberty blockers and begin hormone treatment to allow them to circumvent having to go through puberty based on the gender they were assigned at birth.. I don't know any numbers, but this is becoming more and more common.

Just throwing this on the table, because I'm really tired of people insisting that ALL trans women go through male puberty. It is really NOT that simple.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:38 PM

8. It is not that simple

And keeping things fair for biological women is also important.

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