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Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 09:42 PM Feb 2022

Opinion: Does Putin want a diplomatic solution in Ukraine? It's not looking that way.



(snip)

U.S. officials believe that some of Putin’s advisers see danger ahead if Putin invades but they aren’t able to get this message to the boss. The sanctions that would follow an assault on Ukraine would make it hard for Russia to sell its energy abroad or to buy the technology it needs to supply its defense industry, let alone the rest of the economy. Russia’s financial reserves are large, but they would quickly be depleted as it sought to bolster its currency and pay its bills. U.S. officials reckon that under sanctions, Russia would be starved of inputs, and China, its only major ally, couldn’t fill the gaps.

President Biden has looked for a pathway for Putin to back away from this crisis. In a phone call Saturday with the Russian leader, Biden is said to have countered Putin’s claims that the West doesn’t address his security concerns by summarizing the ways America is prepared to discuss shared stability for Europe. To Putin’s insistence that the United States ignores Russia’s “red lines,” Biden counseled continued dialogue. The leaders talked about follow-on meetings, but no real channel for discussion has opened yet.

An impasse remains on Putin’s fundamental demand for a NATO guarantee that Ukraine won’t ever become a member. A statement by Ukraine’s ambassador to London that Kyiv was ready to give up its aspirations for NATO membership was quickly disavowed Monday by President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government in Kyiv. But even on this question, formulas may be found to finesse the difference — stating the widely understood reality that Ukraine won’t join NATO any time soon without formally guaranteeing it.

Putin’s course may already be set for Kyiv. It’s hard to imagine that he has moved a vast army to the Ukraine border twice in the past year, only to retreat. Only Putin knows what he will do next in this self-created crisis. But even he can’t answer the classic question: Tell me how this ends?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/14/diplomatic-solution-putin-biden-ukraine/



How about Ukraine joins NATO when Russia does?

Of course both nations would need to meet NATO's minimum requirements but they could come in as a pair.

It saves face for everyone involved.

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Opinion: Does Putin want a diplomatic solution in Ukraine? It's not looking that way. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Feb 2022 OP
Nobody wants Russia in NATO. SheltieLover Feb 2022 #1
Well sometimes it can hurt the psyche to be the black sheep of the family. Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #8
Putin made his bed SheltieLover Feb 2022 #13
I wasn't referring to Putin Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #14
Oh, I feel so badly for them SheltieLover Feb 2022 #15
The invite would most definitely be conditional, at some point Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #16
Been reading and listening to "experts" on Putin and... TreasonousBastard Feb 2022 #2
No, he wants to be Emperor, turning 70 soon. elleng Feb 2022 #3
Czar nt AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2022 #5
Right elleng Feb 2022 #7
Well that isn't going to go over well with the large percentage of communists in Russia. Crowman2009 Feb 2022 #17
Well that isn't going to go over well with the large percentage of communists in Russia. Crowman2009 Feb 2022 #18
The whole point of NATO Pantagruel Feb 2022 #4
What better way Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #6
About as well as the UN security council zipplewrath Feb 2022 #9
It could be required they become a democracy first or a close enough facsimile thereof, Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #11
Biden has maneuvered well zipplewrath Feb 2022 #10
I agree zipplewrath, Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #12

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
16. The invite would most definitely be conditional, at some point
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 01:56 AM
Feb 2022

before Russia could join NATO, they would need to be much closer to a democracy and Putin will most likely not be in power then.



TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Been reading and listening to "experts" on Putin and...
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 09:53 PM
Feb 2022

while they all have good-sounding rationals (well, almost all) for their thinking, it all boils down to...

"We don't have fucking clue. Only Putin knows, if even he knows."
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Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
17. Well that isn't going to go over well with the large percentage of communists in Russia.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

Something tells me that reviving the royalty will cause another Russian civil war.

Crowman2009

(2,495 posts)
18. Well that isn't going to go over well with the large percentage of communists in Russia.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 12:54 PM
Feb 2022

Something tells me that reviving the royalty will cause another Russian civil war.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. About as well as the UN security council
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:43 PM
Feb 2022

I'm afraid it would work about as well as the UN Security Council, upon which Russia sits. It would just empower them to gum up the works.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
11. It could be required they become a democracy first or a close enough facsimile thereof,
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:53 PM
Feb 2022

all borders with every nation would have to be agreed to as well.

Putin could go out in a blaze of glory as their George Washington should he actually transition to such a thing but if he doesn't, he; like everyone else can't live forever.

I'm trying think as to why a democratic Russia would want to gum up their own security because that would be the end result should they be able to join NATO?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. Biden has maneuvered well
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:45 PM
Feb 2022

The steps that have been taken, have really cut Putin off from many of his possible actions. Unfortunately, it also has had the effect of basically cornering him. He either backs down, or he attacks. I suspect he'll delay for as long as he can to try to find some avenue of escape. To a great degree, Biden may have to "invent" one for him.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
12. I agree zipplewrath,
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 11:56 PM
Feb 2022

that's why I believe a Ukraine statement to that effect could serve all parties' stated needs.

It saves face, insures Ukraine's security, and give Russia hope for a better future as well.

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