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appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:04 PM Feb 2022

The Danger of Indifference: "First They Came For The Socialists": Pastor Niemoller, Nazi Prisoner



- Pastor Martin Niemöller at his desk in his home. Berlin, Germany, ca. 1936.
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- The Quotation, Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
- Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. He emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last 7 years of Nazi rule in concentration camps. He is perhaps best remembered for his postwar words, “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…”
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- US Holocaust Memorial Museum. 'First They Came For The Socialists.' - Ed.

Niemöller's famous words continue to be used today in popular culture and public discourse with changes reflecting particular issues. There are different versions of the quotation. These exist because Niemöller varied it in a number of different settings and in impromptu speeches. The quotation and its variants express Niemöller’s belief that Germans had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people. He felt this to be especially true of the leaders of the Protestant churches.

Martin Niemöller was born in the Westphalian town of Lippstadt, Germany, on Jan. 14, 1892. In 1910 he became a cadet in the Imperial German Navy. With the outbreak of World War I in 1914, Niemöller was assigned to a U-Boat, of which he was eventually appointed the commander. Under the stipulations of the armistice of November 11, 1918, that ended hostilities in World War I, Niemöller and other commanders were ordered to turn over their U-Boats to England. Along with many others, Niemöller refused to obey this order, and was, as a consequence, discharged from the Navy. In 1920, he decided to follow the path of his father and began seminary training at the University of Münster.

Niemöller enthusiastically welcomed the Third Reich. But a turning point in Niemöller's political sympathies came with a Jan. 1934 meeting of Adolf Hitler, Niemöller, & 2 prominent Protestant bishops to discuss state pressures on churches. At the meeting it became clear that Niemöller's phone had been tapped by the Gestapo (German Secret State Police). It was also clear that the Pastors Emergency League (PEL), which Niemöller had helped found, was under close state surveillance. Following the meeting, Niemöller would come to see the Nazi state as a dictatorship, one which he would oppose. The quotation stems from Niemöller's lectures during the early postwar period. Different versions of the quotation exist...

- More, https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists



- The Danger of Indifference: "Then They Came For Me." June 10, 2020.
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The Danger of Indifference: "First They Came For The Socialists": Pastor Niemoller, Nazi Prisoner (Original Post) appalachiablue Feb 2022 OP
So true NQAS Feb 2022 #1
It's not down- reality. There are many troubling issues to face, appalachiablue Feb 2022 #6
K and R...Thanks for posting. Very True And Totally True Today, One Question .What is 8 Billion Stuart G Feb 2022 #2
See #1 appalachiablue Feb 2022 #5
Updated quote. spike jones Feb 2022 #3
Yep, that exists sorry to say appalachiablue Feb 2022 #4

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
1. So true
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:30 PM
Feb 2022

But…
I’m just so fucking tired of caring or hoping or fretting.

Will or won’t TFG ever be held accountable?

It’s awful what the Ukrainians may face in the coming days. And will a war there spill over into NATO countries? Then what?

Covid. Covid. Covid.

Business this year. Good? Awful? Okay?

Remortgage? Rates are going up. But they weren’t’t when I started thinking about it.

What about my elderly mother in assisted living. 1000 miles away.

And my upcoming surgery. How will be manage.

And climate change and weather. 50 degrees now. 10 degrees tonight.

And, damn, pet care is pricey. And have you seen the cost of dog and cat food?

And wtf is happening red states? When do we start seeing back alley abortion and suicides of LGBTQ+ kids?

And how do we survive as a country with hate emanating in waves from red states.

So, sure, the good reverend was right. And in a world populated by 2.4 billion people they could ponder these sentiments. There’s 8 billion now and we are bombarded from all sides by an astounding number of seemingly insurmountable problems.

Sorry to be a downer.

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
6. It's not down- reality. There are many troubling issues to face,
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:40 AM
Feb 2022

we need to identify them and educate more people somehow. Before things get much worse..

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
2. K and R...Thanks for posting. Very True And Totally True Today, One Question .What is 8 Billion
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:42 PM
Feb 2022

related to?...I don't understand that last sentence. Thank You for answering

appalachiablue

(44,023 posts)
5. See #1
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:38 AM
Feb 2022

And in a world populated by 2.4 billion people they could ponder these sentiments. There’s 8 billion now and we are bombarded from all sides by an astounding number of seemingly insurmountable problems.

spike jones

(2,020 posts)
3. Updated quote.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 10:26 PM
Feb 2022

First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was looking at my phone and did not notice.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was looking at my phone and did not notice.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was looking at my phone and did not notice.
Then they came for me—and took my phone.

"This species has amused itself to death."

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