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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

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Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:07 PM Feb 2022

Putin may take Kyiv; holding Ukraine another matter

By Clara Ferreira Marques / Bloomberg Opinion

Kyiv’s residents have watched shells rain down on the city these past days as they did in 1941, then at the start of a brutal war in which Ukraine endured unthinkable suffering. As images circulate of families huddled in basements and in the city’s subway for safety while rocket strikes light up the sky, it’s hard not to make the comparison. Except, this time, the threat is from the east.

It’s an imperfect parallel, but a vivid one for many Ukrainians that clashes starkly with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s outlandish claims to be “denazifying” Ukraine. Never mind his narrative — glossing over inconvenient details like the Nazi-Soviet pact — that 1941 is in fact a reason for invasion, an effort to avoid the errors of “appeasement.” “We will not make this mistake the second time,” he said in Thursday’s televised speech.

But it’s also a parallel which the Kremlin, even in its delusional state, would be unwise to dismiss. Blitzkrieg campaigns are appealing in the eye of planners but rarely turn out to be either painless or brief; even for powerful nations with apparent military superiority. Russian forces may well overwhelm the Ukrainian capital, but maintaining that control in the face of a motivated defense force and hostile population, not to mention actually achieving Putin’s longer term aims of regime change and security, is a different matter altogether.

It’s worth noting that Ukraine has already held back Russia more effectively than many thought it would. It’s early days, but the Russian attack hasn’t been surgical nor have particularly sophisticated tactics been on display. A battle outside Kyiv on Thursday saw Russian airborne troops attack an airport, only for the Ukrainian side to reportedly recapture it.

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/comment-putin-may-take-kyiv-holding-ukraine-another-matter/

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Putin may take Kyiv; holding Ukraine another matter (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 OP
Why is there such a lack of Russian military tactics? Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #1
Optics? They were hoping for easy capitulation MaryMagdaline Feb 2022 #2
Yes I think they thought they could terrorize Ukraine into a quick surrender. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #3
Exactly MaryMagdaline Feb 2022 #4
Yup. BlueWavePsych Feb 2022 #6
My personal opinion, fwiw... Shipwack Feb 2022 #5
Yes. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #7

Irish_Dem

(47,023 posts)
1. Why is there such a lack of Russian military tactics?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:43 PM
Feb 2022

Why didn't Putin use a surgical strike?
Or blitzkrieg ??

Irish_Dem

(47,023 posts)
3. Yes I think they thought they could terrorize Ukraine into a quick surrender.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:06 PM
Feb 2022

Minimal loss of life, etc.

Not turning out that way.

Shipwack

(2,162 posts)
5. My personal opinion, fwiw...
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:07 PM
Feb 2022

I think Russia has been using the blitzkrieg strategy… planes/artillery/misses, followed by tanks, followed by troops to mop up.

As for surgical strikes, it is my understanding (though I haven’t kept up with this topic for several years so I may be out of date) that the Russian military is just not that well trained, and can’t do anything particularly fancy like a surgical strike.

Yes, they are large, and are possibly better equipped than they used to be, but they don’t spend the rubles for field exercises, joint service training, or even live fire practice.

That being said, I still fear that they’ll be able to Ukraine militarily, eventually, though it might cost more than they anticipated.

“Quantity has a quality all of its own.” - Unknown, though often erroneously attributed to Stalin

Irish_Dem

(47,023 posts)
7. Yes.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 05:38 PM
Feb 2022

This is not going the way Putin planned for a number of possible reasons. He hoped for a quick resolution. Perhaps he thought Ukraine would surrender right out of the gate. And his troops are not adequate to pull of a quick strike.

Yes the odds are not in Ukraine's favor long term.

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