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Donkees

(31,454 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 06:00 AM Mar 2022

What will the invasion of Ukraine bring for Russia?

March 5, 2022 12:25 am by Oleg Sukhov

Excerpts: 'Creating a fake reality'

As Russia is mobilizing its resources for its war against Ukraine, it is becoming increasingly totalitarian, intolerant of any dissent.

Putin’s regime needs to destroy all independent media to prevent them from covering Russia’s aggression against Ukraine, Sergei Sazonov, a Russian-born political philosopher at Estonia’s Tartu University, told the Kyiv Independent.

“What’s happening in Ukraine is so outrageous that Russia will create a completely fake reality,” he said. “When Russian troops withdraw, they will report the opposite – that Kyiv or Kharkiv have been seized by Russia.”

Sazonov also said that Russia is likely to shut down the Internet too.

“Previously the propaganda of violence (on state TV) was lying but it was optional. A person could believe or not believe in crucified children,” Russian columnist and writer Yulia Latynina said on Feb. 26 on the Echo of Moscow in a reference to the 2014 Russian disinformation campaign that spread fakes about Ukrainian troops crucifying a boy in the Donbas.

“Now this belief will be mandatory.”

https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/what-will-invasion-of-ukraine-bring-for-russia/

Author: Oleg Sukhov
Oleg Sukhov is a political reporter at the Kyiv Independent. He is a former editor and reporter at the Moscow Times. He has a master's degree in history from the Moscow State University. He moved to Ukraine in 2014 due to the crackdown on independent media in Russia and covered war, corruption, reforms and law enforcement for the Kyiv Post.

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What will the invasion of Ukraine bring for Russia? (Original Post) Donkees Mar 2022 OP
Fake realities collapse sooner than later. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #1
Well said. duforsure Mar 2022 #3
Not all fake realities! atreides1 Mar 2022 #4
I think even most NKoreans know that govt reality is not real. But they don't have internet Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #6
the war has and will create suffering vlyons Mar 2022 #2
North Korea on steroids.... lastlib Mar 2022 #5
The invasion has 2 reasons: DetlefK Mar 2022 #7
⚡️Occupied regional capital Kherson is going full Orwell today. Donkees Mar 2022 #8
The local media told locals to avoid a certain area because of a Igel Mar 2022 #9

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
4. Not all fake realities!
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 06:47 AM
Mar 2022

Look at North Korea as an example...they've been living under a fake reality since the end of WWII...

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,042 posts)
6. I think even most NKoreans know that govt reality is not real. But they don't have internet
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 09:07 AM
Mar 2022

... or even radio. NK receivers are all fixed at one frequency.

Russia is very different: bigger, more connected.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
2. the war has and will create suffering
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 06:21 AM
Mar 2022

All experience is preceded by mind.
Led by mind.
Created by mind.
Speak or act with contaminated mind, and suffering follows,
Like the wheel of the wagon follows the hoof of the ox.

-- The Dhammapada

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. The invasion has 2 reasons:
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 09:31 AM
Mar 2022

1.
Russia regards Ukraine as a wayward part of Russia, not as an independent country. The goal of the invasion is to restore the glory of Greater Russia by re-uniting Ukraine with Russia.
It's essentially a nationalist argument that is only concerned with nations and people as a whole but not with the free will of individuals.

2.
Russia regards Ukraine as de-facto a western ally. Which means that conquering Ukraine is meant as a swipe against "The West".

Donkees

(31,454 posts)
8. ⚡️Occupied regional capital Kherson is going full Orwell today.
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 11:21 AM
Mar 2022

Oleksiy Sorokin@mrsorokaa·Mar 4⚡️Occupied regional capital Kherson is going full Orwell today.

Russians seized the local TV tower & began airing Russian propaganda networks. Now, SBU says they are moving in people from Crimea to stage a scene where Russian troops are greeted as “liberators.”

“War is Peace.”

Igel

(35,356 posts)
9. The local media told locals to avoid a certain area because of a
Sat Mar 5, 2022, 03:30 PM
Mar 2022

pro-Russia demonstration that was going to be staged.

Just don't be there.

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