US States Could Ban People from Traveling for Abortions, Experts Warn

[appalachiablue]

The Guardian, May 3, 2022.

- If Supreme Ct. weakens Roe v Wade, some states will take aim at people seeking procedures, medications out of state

As abortion bans proliferate in states around the US, some state legislatures are likely to go even further than just ending abortion in their jurisdictions – taking aim at the growing numbers of people seeking procedures and medications out of state, experts warn. If, as the bombshell leak of its private vote suggests, the supreme court weakens or overturns Roe v Wade – the 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion – in an upcoming decision on Mississippi’s 15-week abortion ban, states will be left with a confusing patchwork of laws that will probably lead to legal challenges.

A fresh wave of restrictions will probably center around patients who leave their state to obtain legal abortions in other states, or who order medications to manage their abortions at home. Lawmakers in Missouri weighed legislation early this year that would allow individuals to sue anyone helping a patient cross state lines for an abortion. The law was ultimately blocked in the state’s legislature, but experts expect such legislation to gain more support if Roe is weakened or overturned.

“I think states are not going to rest with just saying ‘there won’t be abortions in our state.’ I think they’re going to want to ban abortion for their citizens as much as they can, which would mean stopping them from traveling,” said David Cohen, professor at Drexel University’s Kline School of Law and lead author of a forthcoming article on cross-state legal issues that could arise in the abortion context. “We’re going to see state-against-state battles that are really going to divide this country even deeper on this issue,” he said.

If the supreme court overturns abortion protections, such travel bans might also be permitted to stand, Cohen said. "The supreme court does not have well-developed case law regarding extraterritorial application of state law,” he added in an email. A court that has gone so far as to overturn Roe, he said, “would likely take that unclear precedent in the direction that is most anti-abortion.” But banning travel would go against “basic American principles”, he said. “You have freedom of travel in this country, and as long as you’re following the law in the state where you are, you are legally OK” under current law. For instance, adults can gamble in states where it’s legal, even if they’re from states where it’s not allowed...

More, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-travel-wave-of-restrictions

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. The new Underground Railroad...

[appalachiablue]

4. For sure

[no_hypocrisy]

14. The new Mann Act

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mann_act

Mann Act


The Mann Act (also known as the White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910) is a federal law that criminalizes the transportation of “any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.”

The Mann Act, passed in June 1910 and named after Illinois Congressman James R. Mann, invoked the Commerce Clause to felonize the use of interstate or foreign commerce to transport women for immoral purposes. The Act was aimed at prostitution, immorality, and human trafficking.

[Hekate]

33. The Mann Act is exactly what I've been thinking about

[Irish_Dem]

2. In the old days you could at least travel for an abortion.

IF you could afford it.

[RKP5637]

3. I wonder when they will put up razor fence on their borders and armed guards. The US is often

a picture of insanity. It's falling apart and frankly is really a fucked up place for many!

[Generic Other]

20. I expect them to make women take pregnancy tests to leave their states

They're that disgusting.

[RKP5637]

23. Yep, I have no doubt the ramifications of this will be endless. The US continues to fall into a

very dark future, as some wave their little flags, clutch bibles and cheer it on.

[PXR-5]

5. What if the state doesn't know.

if a woman is pregnant?

If someone just uses at home tests and doesn't see a doctor the home state won't know.

[Runningdawg]

9. Birth control and at home tests will be banned. Pregnancy tests at every red state line.

Next step; Dr.'s must report all pregnancies to the state. If you give birth without the using proper channels, the woman will be sent to prison and risk having her children taken to a "Boarding School".
I know some here think this is BS. I grew up in a cult and listened to them plan every detail. A week ago you didn't believe they were going to overturn RvW.

[jmowreader]

19. That's...not quite true

Most of us knew they were going to overturn Roe the second Donald Trump was declared the winner of the 2016 election.

And yes, I thoroughly expect every girl and woman over the age of 13 will be subjected to a pregnancy test before crossing a state line in the red states. You'll need to take one when you leave and another when you return...and if you were pregnant when you left and not when you got back, you got some 'splainin' to do.

[Generic Other]

21. You nailed it

TSA will administer the tests at airports.

[RKP5637]

24. And the GOP, "Gross Old Pedophiles," will volunteer to watch and hands-on examine. n/t

[Runningdawg]

31. Posted in another thread....

I was raised in a religious cult. We were required to show proof of periods each month. I showed my father, married women showed their husbands. If you didn't have either, one of the ladies from church took care of it.

[RKP5637]

32. Life can be incredible and strange ... n/t

[58Sunliner]

6. I'm worried they will start requiring a Dr script just for a pregnancy test.

[PortTack]

12. Pregnancy test kits will be available online, maybe out of the country, but definitely available

[Runningdawg]

34. There are common items available online that you must currently show ID in OK to buy in a store.

I don't buy those items online but I bet if I tried I would get a notification "this item currently not available for shipment to your state". I'm going to bet OK's trigger law will cover this in detail.

[qazplm135]

7. sometimes I think

we need to just split in two. Give them their Confederacy. So the rest of us can live in the modern world.

Obviously not, but the temptation...

[appalachiablue]

11. It's also crossed my mind in the last few years. How this

can continue, the division and decline, I don't know. Worlds apart.

[qazplm135]

15. we really haven't moved on from 1861

It's the same culture and mentality clashes.
Progressive v conservative, modern v regressive, science v religion.

[slightlv]

18. I've been saying this for years N/T

[RKP5637]

25. Exactly!!! I think this is the best solution, perhaps the only solution. There is just no way

reconciliation is going to be achieved. The US is way past that. I hope it can be achieved without a civil war and all of that again. However, some on the right seem anxious to get out their guns and start warring.

[qazplm135]

28. It's too hard geographically

Do you split Atlanta from Georgia? Every major city in Texas is blue.

Upstate NY is red so is small town PA.

And on and on.

[RKP5637]

29. It would require a new topology and paradigm wherein geography was not a limiting factor.

Not trivial, I agree, to design and implement.

[doc03]

8. It won't be long before we will have to show

our papers to cross state lines.

[modrepub]

10. Better Minds Than Me

How is seeking medical care outside of your state not interstate commerce and by definition outside state laws?

[PortTack]

13. ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[qazplm135]

16. generally it is

of course, A republican congress can simply redefine what interstate commerce is and a conservative Supreme Court can sign off on it.

We need to hold solid power for the next ten years.

No more of this back and forth crap.

[modrepub]

17. So Much For One Of The Bedrocks

of Republican business philosophy. Like they were capable of higher thinking anyway.

I doubt one party can hold onto the reigns of Congress and the Executive for that long. Americans usually have a propensity for divided government. Republicans have taken advantage of structural advantages like gerrymandering and the Senate (small states given the same power as large states). I don't see that changing unless it becomes disadvantageous to them.

[twodogsbarking]

22. Do they want a revolution?

[RKP5637]

26. The US needs to divide, somehow. Reconciliation IMO is no longer possible. The differences are

far far too great and R v. W has so many other ramifications if struck down.

[Runningdawg]

35. No a crusade.

[lees1975]

27. Good luck enforcing that

Doing that will get a lot of Republicans thrown out by the voters.

[Oneironaut]

30. We're getting closer and closer to banning pregnant women from leaving a state,

with police patrols running “pregnancy” checks like they do seatbelt checks.

Sounds absurd, and maybe it is, but so was it he idea of overturning Roe vs. Wade.