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lees1975

(3,845 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 07:23 PM Jun 2022

At the intersection of right wing politics and Christian "Dominion theology" you will find

white Christian nationalism, anti-democracy, conspiracy theories and even Trumpism explained.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/christian-dominion-theology-intersects.html

The intersection of Dominion theology with right wing politics has created a movement within the Evangelical and Pentecostal/Charismatic branches of American Christianity that pushes churches to use Christian theology and doctrine to achieve political power rather than fulfilling the Christian mission and purpose apart from political power, which is what Christ and the apostles taught. It is anti-Christian in its philosophy and actions, willing to set aside core principles of the Christian faith to gain political power and influence.

That is why a man like Trump, an immoral, God-cursing, demonically-driven demagogue, is so popular among Evangelicals. Trumpism tells Christian leaders that turning the other cheek and loving your enemies, which identify Christian character and are direct teachings of Jesus himself, are for suckers and they are hindrances to the kind of worldly influence and power that he is after. Those who want to "get anywhere in the world," must get themselves into positions of worldly power in government, education, media, arts and entertainment, religion, family and business (see Seven Mountains Dominion thelogy) and that can't be done by loving your enemies or turning the other cheek. Though that denies core Christian theology, they follow him.

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At the intersection of right wing politics and Christian "Dominion theology" you will find (Original Post) lees1975 Jun 2022 OP
Hey JUDAS!! They got your message and are running with it. TigressDem Jun 2022 #1
I wrote this in 2004 teach1st Jun 2022 #2
One of the problems with this is that they don't get much attention or taken seriously. lees1975 Jun 2022 #4
This! teach1st Jun 2022 #6
What would be nice is if this information, along with a couple of supporting interviews lees1975 Jun 2022 #8
++ appalachiablue Jun 2022 #13
Do you mind if I pass this on? slightlv Jun 2022 #5
Feel free to pass it on, slightlv teach1st Jun 2022 #7
K&R. Signalpress rocks. NT usonian Jun 2022 #3
Todays Fundamentalists are simply Christofascists. lark Jun 2022 #9
They have subverted many churches and they're going to do the same if they get control of government lees1975 Jun 2022 #10
K & R on this, lees1975 Jun 2022 #11
To defeat this requires knowing something about it lees1975 Jun 2022 #12

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
1. Hey JUDAS!! They got your message and are running with it.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 07:28 PM
Jun 2022

Ah, yeah. You realized your mistake and threw away the silver blood money and hanged yourself.

Sorry.

RIP betrayer of Christ who repented in his final moments.


teach1st

(5,934 posts)
2. I wrote this in 2004
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 08:11 PM
Jun 2022

I wrote this in 2004. I didn't imagine at the time how successful these jokers would be with dominion theology. (I wrote this for an education bulletin board I owned and moderated at the time. I don't have time to edit out the BB code. I'm sure most of the links are not working almost 18 years later. Sorry.)

(My focus in politics is always partly on education, and since the people I'm "bashing" are avowed enemies of public education and, in most cases, scientific thought, this is right on target. I am not bashing Christians here. I am not bashing conservatives. There are many Christian and conservative organizations around who are also fighting the rise of the theocratic right.)

Genesis 1:28 commands men to have "dominion" over "every living thing." Taking their cue from that verse, Dominionist are Christians who believe that Christians (and Christians only) have a mandate for dominion over the globe, and who believe that Christ won't return until this is accomplished.

The Dominionists made some advances in the late seventies and on into the eighties, with the Moral Majority, but lost steam in the nineties. Their power is growing again and they seem to have heard a call to battle with Bush's November election victory.

In Matthew 28:19-20, the "Great Commission," Jesus commands his followers to proselytize to the world. George Bush, who often acknowledges his supporters in the Dominionist movement using carefully phrased key words in his speeches, uses the "great commission" keyword often in policy speeches. Viewed through the framework of Dominionism, Bush's policies - which at times seem incompressible to those who don't support him - make sense. The push into Iraq, for example, is the first step toward the great commission and the losses of life and money, along with the political hits are worth it. Bush's tax cuts, which some of us find indefensible during a time of war, make perfect sense in the context of destroying the federal government, a Dominionist goal.

In addition to theocracy, some of the broad goals of the Dominionists include the near total abolition of the federal government, including especially the IRS, public education, and public health; the broad application of the death penalty to offenses mentioned in the Bible (including sodomy and adultery); and the abrogation of the advancements women's rights advocates have made over the past half-century. Abortion, of course, would also subject both the abortionists and their clients to the death penalty.

Dominionists are sometimes called Reconstructionists (there is a difference between the two, but basically Dominionists practice a lite version of Reconstructionalism). Zell Miller is one. Supreme Court Justice Scalia and Thomas have both used Dominionist ideals in their written rulings and in their speeches. Scalia, in particular, affirms openly his belief in the supremacy of biblical law over constitutional law.

http://www.thementalmilitia.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=251&mode=thread

[quote]Justice Antonin Scalia...declared in the theological journal First Things that the state derives its moral authority from God, not the "consent of the governed," as that old licentious reveler Thomas Jefferson held in the Declaration of Independence. No, government "is the 'minister of God' with powers to 'revenge,' to 'execute wrath,' including even wrath by the sword," Scalia wrote. He railed against the "tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government."[/quote]

Please note that I don't think the Bush administration is Dominionist. Bush may be sympathetic, but I think the real movers and shakers in the Bush administration are using the Dominionist to help achieve whatever goals they feel are important to them. In turn, the Dominionists may be using the Bush administration to advance their cause.

Because their extreme views are not supported by the majority, many Americans aren't aware of this gathering threat to democracy or think this is not a threat or is a nuisance at worst. But Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson acknowledge that they are a minority. Their writings and speeches reveal that their tactics for gaining power as a minority depend on voter apathy, low voter-turnout, not revealing their more radical ideals, and keeping a relatively low profile. I don't want these people to have a low profile. They are too dangerous to let them slip by.

I've included a few quotes from an article published in Tampa's Daily Planet in March 2004 and now on the [url=http://www.theocracywatch.org/]Theocracy Watch[/url] web site.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/christian_recon_planet_weekly_mar2004.htm

[quote]In 2000, the Republican Party of Texas signed onto an agenda that Reconstructionists would applaud as a critical first step toward theocracy. The GOP declared that it "affirms that the United States is a Christian nation."Last month, that sentiment reached the national level. [url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.3799:] The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004[/url] would acknowledge Christianity's God as the "sovereign source" of our laws. It would reach back in history and reverse all judicial decisions that have built a wall between church and state, and it would prohibit federal judges from making such rulings in the future.

The bill was co-sponsored in the Senate by Zell Miller, the...Georgia Democrat (and United Methodist), and several Republican colleagues, including South Carolina's Lindsey Graham; in the House, the sponsors were all Republican, including Georgia's Jack Kingston.[/quote]

(See [url=http://www.tuff-teach.com/pcs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7765].this Tuff post[/url] for more about The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004.)

[quote]DeMar, North and other Reconstructionists believe the state should be limited to building and maintaining roads, enforcing land-use contracts, ensuring just weights and measures -- and not much else.

Except, as DeMar writes in his book Liberty at Risk, "The State is God's 'minister,' taking vengeance out on those who do evil," a role eagerly embraced by the Bush administration. A major task for the Christian state would be to field armies to conquer in the name of Jesus.

As Jerry Falwell -- not technically a Reconstructionist because of theological nuances, but a preacher who generally follows the movement's tactical plan for creating a Christian government -- proclaimed earlier this year, "God is pro-war." And, Atlanta's Rev. Charles Stanley, a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention and another dominion theology tagalong, was among the first in line wanting to dispatch his missionaries alongside American troops in Iraq.

Stanley wrote last year, "God favors war for divine reasons and sometimes uses it to accomplish His will." That, of course, is balm to the neo-conservatives in the Bush administration.

As for the Reconstruction economy, it would be a libertarian's dream -- as long as biblical laws, such as prohibiting usury, were adhered to.

DeMar said last month, "There's much (libertarian talk-show host) Neal Boortz and I agree on." Primarily, government isn't needed when it comes to economic issues.

Unions would be illegal, as would any government role in workplace safety. Employers could discriminate for any and all reasons. Minimum wage, unemployment benefits, Social Security, welfare -- all history. Adios environmental protection laws, as well as regulation on who can call themselves a physician or lawyer.

Public schools are anathema. One of the great successes of Reconstruction has been promoting home-schooling programs. Home schooling is much broader than Reconstruction, of course. But Illinois Reconstructionist Paul Lindstrom has devised texts used by tens of thousands of home- schooling families.

The arena that generates the most attention -- and shock -- is dominion theology's radical plans to make capital punishment part of America's daily routine.

Ringgold's Don Boys -- who as a one-term Indiana state official in the 1970s authored legislation that restored capital punishment there -- spoke cheerfully of a time when Americans will witness 10,000 executions a year. And Gary North suggests the method -- stoning -- because rocks are "cheap, plentiful and convenient." Reconstructionists also favor other biblical forms of execution -- burning, hanging and the sword.

Sins suitable for execution are those mentioned in the Old Testament. Interestingly, although male homosexuals would be among the first in line for the Reconstructionists' gallows, lesbians would be exempted because no specific reference to executing them can be found in the Books of Moses.[/quote]

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
4. One of the problems with this is that they don't get much attention or taken seriously.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 09:58 PM
Jun 2022

People look at it, get bored with it, or just think it is too outlandish to ever get much support. But these people abandon basic Christian theology for an aberrant form of it that replaces the spiritual kingdom with one on earth, and they replace the new covenant of Christ with the Old Testament, including the belief that white Americans are a chosen race and God will hold their coattails and cheer them on when they pick up arms and murder their enemies. There are a lot of intersections here, with white supremacists, white Christian nationalists and the current strands of dominion theology, the revived Reconstructionism of Rushdoony in Calvinist circles, the "Kingdom Now" version of it among the Pentecostals and Charismatics, where the loony bin gets really scary, and Catholic Integralism, which has always been around in some form or another and which you see in Alito and Thomas, among others. Now it has intersected with Trumpism. In a United States under dominionist rule, Trump would be executed for his sins. But these people have succumbed to the temptation of power and wealth, and are willing to give a pass to an immoral, God-cursing, lying adulterer like Trump in exchange for what he can give them. There's nothing more worldly or corrupt than that.

All I can say is that these people better be taken seriously, and Americans better wake up to what they're up to. They have been a threat to the Christian church and they have turned much of it into an apostate, heretical cult. There are people within who have awakened to the danger, but dissenters among the Christian right are neturalized, punished with loss of income and property if that can be gotten away with, and silenced.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
8. What would be nice is if this information, along with a couple of supporting interviews
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 01:01 AM
Jun 2022

would get picked up and taken seriously by someone at MSNBC, or CNN, and there were people who were willing to sound the alarm bells.

slightlv

(2,785 posts)
5. Do you mind if I pass this on?
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:17 PM
Jun 2022

I find it important enough I'd like others to read it as well. You have some very salient points in here, things I've been saying for years, but you have some (working) links in here to back them up.

BTW... sysop of an old FidoNet BBS, myself here. I miss those days, myself...!

teach1st

(5,934 posts)
7. Feel free to pass it on, slightlv
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:38 PM
Jun 2022

And thanks!

I remember those days. It took forever to download one picture! I still have most of my downloaded pics from way back then, when 14,440 was the cat's pajamas.

lark

(23,083 posts)
9. Todays Fundamentalists are simply Christofascists.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

They use the name of God, but do not follow his teachings, not one bit. What they follow are racist rich right wing fascists, the rest is just lipservice.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
10. They have subverted many churches and they're going to do the same if they get control of government
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jun 2022

which is one of the "mountains" where they are seeking influence.

https://baptistnews.com/article/donald-trump-jr-tells-young-conservatives-that-following-jesus-command-to-turn-the-other-cheek-has-gotten-us-nothing/#.YqDsjqjMJD8

Some Christians recognize the rhetoric and associated it with reconstructionism or dominionism or the "Kingdom Now" movement. It should be a grave warning to anyone who leads a church or a Christian ministry that the Trumps are trying to change Christian theology. And there has to be an ulterior motive and something in it for them.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
12. To defeat this requires knowing something about it
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:15 AM
Jun 2022

and being able to refute it with facts. It falls on its face politically and it is contrary to orthodox, biblical Christian theology.

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