The compromise that could hold Trump accountable and save the republic

[MissMillie]

Let me say up front, that I haven't decided whether or not to subscribe to this opinion piece. I merely post it for discussion.

I do believe it is important to keep TFG off of any ballot for any office ever again. The survival of the Republic depends on it.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-compromise-that-could-hold-trump-accountable-and-save-the-republic/ar-AAZ2dLr?li=BBnb7Kz

Attorney General Merrick Garland must fearlessly prosecute Trump and the Trump aides and elected members of Congress who assisted him in trying to undermine our democracy.

But every step Garland takes or chooses not to take is fraught with harrowing political risks that could alter the course of American history. If Garland’s Department of Justice decides to indict former President Trump, his ensuing trial could, and likely will, shred the cloth of a nation with split seams. Violent outbreaks could erupt, possibly fueled by Trump encouraging millions of his armed supporters to stand up.

Moreover, don’t put it past Trump to take preemptive measures shortly before or during prosecution by announcing that he is running for president in 2024 — making Garland’s actions appear more politically daunting.

Yet Garland not prosecuting Trump would be equally horrific. Our justice system must not fear punishing a former president who violently tried to cling to power and might have succeeded if not for well-positioned heroes at every level of government who stood up to Trump and bravely said “no.”

What follows is a multipart compromise based partly on Watergate:

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Food for thought

[AkFemDem]

1. This "solution" is based on the supposition

That Trump isn’t actually a narcissist and is capable of making even a faked, forced apology- he would NEVER be willing to do that. Moreover, his cult would never buy it.

[intrepidity]

2. Or, delay doing anything until an even bigger crisis presents

I fear that will eventually be how this shakes out.

Can you imagine the magnitude of the crisis that would render J6 inconsequential? I shudder to think.

[riversedge]

3. Here is the proposed compromise...........

I think Trump would choke if he attempted to apologize. Trump lives by the motto--Never admit you are wrong.





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-compromise-that-could-hold-trump-accountable-and-save-the-republic/ar-AAZ2dLr?li=BBnb7Kz


.................What follows is a multipart compromise based partly on Watergate:

First, Garland must prosecute and potentially convict all of the Trump underlings who assisted his illegal efforts, including members of Congress who asked for pardons.

Second, Trump must be indicted for crimes against the United States (or whatever is the appropriate legal language). At the same time, the Justice Department should make a concerted effort to educate the public about the overwhelming evidence for his conviction.

Third, before Trump heads to trial, Garland should offer him a compromise that avoids trial but precludes Trump from running for or holding public office. The compromise would include Trump making a live public statement apologizing to the American people for perpetuating lies about his election victory, the attempted overthrow and all the events related to Jan. 6, 2021.

Indicting Trump but avoiding a Trump trial is in our nation’s best interests. Nonetheless, the former president must be held accountable so America can move ahead and secure the integrity of future presidential elections.

“We need to get back to the solemn business of preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States and the United States of America,” said retired federal Judge J. Michael Luttig during his recent Jan. 6 committee testimony.....................................

[in2herbs]

4. I presented this option a while back and it still appears to be the only solution. I

I agree with the article with the following exception: Trump will never go to jail so we take the jail to him. Confine him to Mar-a-Lago for the rest of his life. Mar-a-Lago must be closed (and maybe the govt. could take possession of the property cuz it would now be a prison for Trump.) He can't leave the premises, has no phone, tv, or internet access. His children cannot visit. No visits by financial advisors, etc., The security he receives as an ex-president will provide his prison security. His movements at Mar-a-Lago are monitored 24/7.

[Grasswire2]

6. I like this idea, and suggest you make it an OP for thought.

Solitary confinement and a gag order.

But no Secret Service. Not trust-worthy here. U.S. Marshals, perhaps, or other law enforcement.

Suicide watch, too.

[in2herbs]

7. I just might work on a DU thread for this idea. Agree with your suggestions except

for giving Trump a suicide watch. If he wants to off himself it's his God-given right, isn't it?

[delisen]

13. Like Napoleon exiled ?

I believe Trump is now neutered politically but still will be able to grift if not prosecuted for his crimes.

Ambitious authoritarianism likeDe Santis are already entering the Republican Party power vacuum. They are not going to turn back their ambitions. They will be like ferrule cats eating the corpse of the dead hiker.

[Progressive dog]

5. Prosecute Trump and his helpers to the fullest extent of the law.

In 1865, the leaders of that insurrection were not prosecuted. 100 years later, the slaves that had been freed were still being denied the right to vote.
IMO If we don't want a repeat of this attempted coup, the plotters must be charged and prosecuted for every single crime.

[Runningdawg]

8. Win...loose...No one is going to prevent the coming violence.

“The time for gentile politics as usual has come to an end,” he said. “It’s time for the rise of the new right, it’s time for Dark MAGA to truly take command. We have an enemy to defeat, but we will never be able to defeat them until we defeat the cowardly and weak members of our own party. Their days are numbered. We are coming.” 5-2-22 U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn

[PortTack]

9. Exactly..a mealy mouth response is what the maga bullies want. We cannot let that happen

If they become violent, then we’ll deal with that and they can go to jail.

[cachukis]

10. Nevertheless, it's either the rule of law or not.

Absolutes are truly rare. The concept of forgiveness belies logic. You can live with your corrupt neighbor, but trusting him/her would be unwise.
Arms length comes to mind.
Most people misinterpret Machiavelli.
He did not espouse the ends justifying the means.
He described leaders and their successful techniques and their unsuccessful ones.
We as a nation, as any nation, thrive on politics.
We play this forgiveness game because the Roman Catholics used it to power their enterprise. Read the Padoner's Tale (Chaucer) to get a sense of how well it works.
Example seems to be a viable method of teaching.
The Hawaiian language has a limited amount of phonemes (12 or so). Forgive me if my memory is off.
That equates to fewer complex words for explanation.
The common chastisement in equatorial climes has to do with, "didn't you watch me?"
Since most Americans are really unread, perhaps we should have a watch me moment.

[usonian]

11. You've got to make him an offer ....

that fits his perverted patterns.

What might work is some deal involving throwing all his cronies under the bus. Since this is SOP with him, a small step.

But it will rip HIS F-ING PARTY APART, not the country, and his party, the "Party of Nothing"© and their air supply (oligarchs, Fax News, racist militia) will lose strength.

Doing so will build back the power to do some good, solid senate and house majorities.

It's not so much the "deal" but how it is done. I hope that he will see more benefit from this (devil's in the details) than his political grift machine. In the end, he's frontrunning hate, and every last detail is for ego and moolah.

How he "secures" those is above my pay grade, but I like the other side of the coin, the sacrifice of the morans.

In the past, I thought that enough pressure from below (such as prosecution of all his cronies) would drive him to buy an island offshore and declare a "New America" sovereign state. Looking less likely, but remember, he has to think that every decision is "his" despite being painted into a corner, and that he can call it a "win"

In any case, a bad time for cronies. Iron bars likely to replace iron cross. And given their zombie state (perhaps blackmail as well) more likely that he will throw them under the bus than that they will.

Naturally, the exact opposite could be thought of.

Just throwing kechup against the wall to see if it sticks.

[Martin68]

12. I do not believe Trump can energize an army of millions if he is indicted. I believe the only way

the rule of law will survive is if Trump is indicted and found guilty. I don't think Trump would ever apologize under any conditions.