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NJCher

(35,662 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 06:59 PM Jul 2022

Maybe the Democrats aren't doomed in November

from the Washington Post. No pay link below.

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Columnist

July 1, 2022 at 4:58 p.m. EDT

snip:

To be sure, polls this far out from an election aren’t very predictive. Nevertheless, there is a real chance Democrats will far outperform Biden’s approval rating, and perhaps even keep control of the House and Senate and win key gubernatorial races in November.


Why? First, many of the people who say they disapprove of Biden also don’t like Republicans and are almost certain to vote Democratic, if they vote at all. Biden’s approval rating has declined by 12 percentage points since the start of his term, according to tracking by the Economist. If those breaking with the president were all moderates and swing voters, Democrats would be in deep trouble. But some of Biden’s approval decline is due to Black voters (-17), voters under age 30 (-18), Democrats (-12), liberals (-15) and other left-leaning parts of the electorate growing sour on the president. The overwhelming majority of those people aren’t voting Republican. For example, a recent Post-Ipsos poll of Black adults found that 70 percent approved of Biden’s performance, compared with 28 percent who disapproved. But 88 percent of Black adults indicated they would vote for congressional Democrats this fall, compared with only 9 percent support for Republicans.

A recent Quinnipiac University poll found that only 26 percent of Georgia voters ages 18-34 approved of Biden, but 61 percent of people in that age group said they were backing Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.

Democrats don’t have to convince these voters that Biden is doing a great job — they only need to convince them that the party overall has done enough and that putting Republicans in charge will make things worse. That’s not a hard case to make. Ideally, in the months before the election, Democrats take actions that would excite people who are deciding between voting Democratic and not voting at all, such as forgiving student loans and adopting whatever climate change proposal can get 50 votes in the Senate. The details emerging from the investigation of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade and former president Donald Trump’s continued presence in American politics will help Democrats in making the case to sporadic voters that the 2022 election is as important as the ones in 2018 and 2020. In those two elections, young people, Black voters and other left-leaning groups voted at very high rates, helping boost Democrats.

snip

The poll figures he quotes in relation to the bf'd line in paragraph 2 were undoubtedly taken before Ketanji Brown Jackson was sworn in. Even though she is new to the court, let's hope she can gain some visibility, which might help matters.

No pay link: https://wapo.st/3ODy3Ln

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/01/maybe-democrats-not-doomed-in-november/

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Maybe the Democrats aren't doomed in November (Original Post) NJCher Jul 2022 OP
Erosion in AA votes surprises me, Biden has appointed minorities across the board and SCOTUS bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #1
I know you probably don't frequent black social media sites .... LenaBaby61 Jul 2022 #3
Aa women will vote dem Demovictory9 Jul 2022 #5
🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 LenaBaby61 Jul 2022 #7
I can't put into words how evil such a mentality is IngridsLittleAngel Jul 2022 #11
I have a HUGE problem with this shit Cheezoholic Jul 2022 #13
How can ANYONE vote Repuglican SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #14
Thanks for posting and bolding the critical parts. Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #2
If they take the house very little will reach the Senate for a vote. FloridaBlues Jul 2022 #4
I never thought we were doomed agingdem Jul 2022 #6
so true NJCher Jul 2022 #9
a better OP title "Maybe the US isn't doomed in November" SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #8
Yep n/t Cheezoholic Jul 2022 #12
Trump is more unpopular than Biden lees1975 Jul 2022 #10

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
1. Erosion in AA votes surprises me, Biden has appointed minorities across the board and SCOTUS
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 07:05 PM
Jul 2022

It won't get any better than this.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
3. I know you probably don't frequent black social media sites ....
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jul 2022

Which do. I lurk, and there are a lot (Not a majority) of AA women who are turned off by the trans legislation the the Biden Administration is passing. I think some of these people are digital black face people who are faking to be black people to strow chaos, but there are a lot of legitimately upset black women who are "NO Bueno" wen it comes to trans people and trans rights. SMDH.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
11. I can't put into words how evil such a mentality is
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:11 AM
Jul 2022

It's infuriating enough to endure bigotry from white cishet men, who have no idea what discrimination feels like. Oh, sure. They whine about how they're discriminated against, losing their freedoms, being canceled, etc.. The truth is, they're not. They are the only class that has been protected during the entire 246 year history of this nation.

But when someone who knows discrimination all too well, such as AA women, want to discriminate against others... That turns my stomach and raises my blood pressure at an alarming right. Each and every time, I want to shout at them "You of all people should know better! You know what discrimination feels like! You know the harm and damage it does! And you want to discriminate against others?!"

We've done nothing to white cishet men. We sure have done nothing to black women. My god... Maybe they should spend more time protecting their rights (which are also very much under attack) and less time (like, say, none) trying to rip apart the rights of other people facing hatred and oppression.

Especially since us living our lives has no affect upon their lives. We're doing nothing to harm them.

The only thing worse than a bigot is one who has faced bigotry themselves. Sad. "SMDH" is right.

(And, no. I'm not blaming you for posting this, and I know you don't endorse their mentality. My frustration is aimed at AA women who'd rather punch down than push back.)

Cheezoholic

(2,019 posts)
13. I have a HUGE problem with this shit
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 04:45 AM
Jul 2022

I'm Hispanic. I am getting so sick and tired of seeing posts "how could Latinos vote repuke after all we've done for them". I'm sick of posts wondering how Black Americans or Asian Americans or whatever Americans could vote for a party that doesn't give a shit about them. You know why? For the same reasons Fat Nixon got the votes he did from ALL Americans! People are fucking people man. It doesn't matter your skin color, or your cultural heritage, or your religion or whatever, there's fucking pricks across the board. And for Democrats to be so fucking arrogant as to think they have the minority vote locked in is foolish and damn near racist from where I stand. WAKE THE FUCK UP!! I'm Hispanic, I don't owe Democrats shit, I just happen to agree with them. Sorry, but I'm sick of this "how could (insert racist demographic) vote for the other guy" bullshit. It's below me, and it's below what I believe this party stands for.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
14. How can ANYONE vote Repuglican
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 06:52 AM
Jul 2022

That should cover it. I think some get confused that it should be a cultural thing. However, to take issue with your criticism, it's easy to quantify the fact that no ethnicity as a group has ever benefited from repuglican policies. It definitely can't be singled out to one group though.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
2. Thanks for posting and bolding the critical parts.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 07:14 PM
Jul 2022

Perry used to work for 538, which currently predicts GOP has 80% chance of taking the house, while control of the senate is rated a tossup.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
4. If they take the house very little will reach the Senate for a vote.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 07:33 PM
Jul 2022

legislation that has passed the house will not carry over for senate votes in the new year
Mostly would be judges that senate can do without house approval. A split congress won’t be pretty.

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
6. I never thought we were doomed
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 08:52 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:24 PM - Edit history (1)

despite what the media wants us to believe..."the midterm election always flips to the party not in power"...not so fast!..we live in unprecedented times..the old trends no longer apply..we are still dealing with and reeling from covid, and the president of the United States staged a coup and incited an insurrection..and the J6 committee is pulling back the curtain on a toxic White House, the enabling GOP congress, and the crazies that surrounded a depraved Hitler/Mussolini wannabe ... and last but never least, a rogue far right Supreme Court determined to drag women back to the days of "death by coat hanger"..

Pollsters assume we are living "the new normal"...we are not...we are living "the new different"...everything is on the table...



NJCher

(35,662 posts)
9. so true
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 10:00 PM
Jul 2022

Unprecedented times and old trends indeed are indeed no longer applicable. So many media pundits, however, lack the imagination to project where this might go.

What strikes me is the high numbers of people who are unhappy with either Democrats or republicans.

This is where instant runoff voting could really work for us. I think that candidates that appeal to certain voting segments would appear.

IRV is complicated, though, for voters. NYC had it, but only for certain elections. There was an educational process they put the voters through. Their instructional process actually showed some imagination, despite the fact that the NYC Board of Elections has a pretty terrible reputation.

But if other countries can manage it, why can't we?

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
8. a better OP title "Maybe the US isn't doomed in November"
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:47 PM
Jul 2022

because that is the real risk if repugs take over completely

lees1975

(3,850 posts)
10. Trump is more unpopular than Biden
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 11:27 PM
Jul 2022

and his endorsees aren't doing great. But if there's that much dislike for Trump, in some of those districts where a Trumpie has won a primary against an incumbent, the Democrat may be more likely to win.

I think the Democrats will hold the house and pick up at least two, maybe as many as four, senate seats.

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