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milestogo

(23,084 posts)
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:44 PM Sep 2022

Russ Feingold: Ruling the US supreme court isn't enough. The right wants to amend the constitution.

In a recent primetime address, President Joe Biden spoke about “the soul of the nation” – calling out rightwing forces for their numerous efforts to undermine, if not overthrow, our democracy. Biden’s speech was prescient, in more ways than one. In addition to many Republicans promoting the “big lie” that the 2020 election was stolen and working to fill elected offices with people ready to subvert the will of the people, there is a conservative movement underway to radically rewrite the US constitution. The right has already packed the supreme court and is reaping the rewards, with decisions from Dobbs to Bruen that radically reinterpret the constitution in defiance of precedent and sound legal reasoning. But factions of the right are not satisfied to wait for the court to reinterpret the constitution. Instead, they have set their sights on literally rewriting our foundational document.

Why bother with constitutional interpretation when you can change the actual text? This strategy by factions of the right could carry far graver consequences for our country and our democracy than even the right’s packing of the court or the Capitol attack on January 6. Our founding fathers did not see the constitution as written in stone; they expected it to be revised and believed that revisions could help the document endure. As such, they included in Article V of the constitution two different mechanisms through which to amend the text. All 27 amendments to the constitution have been achieved through only one of those mechanisms: by having two-thirds of both chambers of Congress propose an amendment to the constitution and then having that amendment ratified by three-quarters of state legislatures.

There is a second mechanism, however. The second option is to have two-thirds of all state legislatures (34 states or more) apply for a constitutional convention and then to have three-quarters of all state legislatures or state ratifying conventions ratify any amendments proposed by the convention. To be clear, a constitutional convention under Article V has never before been held. Moreover, the constitution provides no rules on how a constitutional convention would actually be run in practice. There is nothing in the constitution about how delegates would be selected, how they would be apportioned, or how amendments would be proposed or agreed to by delegates. And there is little useful historical precedent that lends insight to these important questions. This means that nearly any amendment could be proposed at such a convention, giving delegates enormous power to engage in political and constitutional redrafting.

A convention would be a watershed moment in American history. And this is exactly what factions of the right are banking on. Rather than a deterrent, they see the constitution’s lack of clarity on how a convention should be run as an opportunity to pursue new theories of constitutional power and change. The Convention of States Project, the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec) and other rightwing organizations have spent more than a decade working to persuade state legislators to pass applications for an Article V convention. This effort has recently attracted a who’s-who roster of far-right supporters, including the Trumpist attorneys John Eastman and Jenna Ellis, and financial support from conservative megadonors. As legislatures continue to trend conservative in many states, due in no small part to partisan and racial gerrymandering, factions of the right see an increasingly viable and potentially imminent path to securing the 34 applications necessary to call a convention. In recent months, some congresspeople have even claimed that the constitutional threshold has been satisfied and that Congress must call a convention. While their counting is dubious, the momentum that they could nonetheless achieve is deeply worrying. Those involved in this effort have made their radical aims quite clear: to disassemble modern government and the century-old New Deal consensus, returning the country to the troubling, splintered times when the federal government could do little to provide for national welfare or defense.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/19/conservative-supreme-court-amend-constitution

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lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
2. they need 38 state legislatures to ratify anything that such a convention would propose.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 07:57 PM
Sep 2022

Hard to imagine that they could get to that level.

Washington, Hawaii, Oregon, California, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Illinois, Minnesota, Rhode Island are solidly blue...

Add Colorado, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Maryland as mostly blue

A few others would be on the fence about changing the constitution.

Can they get to a convention... wouldn't surprise me.

yourout

(8,824 posts)
10. So likely a whole bunch of drama without any changes.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:59 PM
Sep 2022

Good for the media but probably a whole lotta nothing.

moose65

(3,454 posts)
6. Maryland is pretty solidly blue..
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 08:29 PM
Sep 2022

As is Delaware, which you didn’t mention. Colorado and New Mexico seem pretty solid at the state level as well, and also Nevada.

It would be hard to get 38 states to ratify most of the crazy amendments. It would be a total shitshow to see a convention, since we really don’t have rules on how to run one!

yourout

(8,824 posts)
5. Exactly how would a Constitutional Convention work?
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 08:14 PM
Sep 2022

Who would run the proceeding?
Who would be at the proceeding?
Who would be voting?
How would they pick what would be voted on?

Really should be making plans on how to make sure it's not a complete calamity in case it does happen.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
7. How a 'Convention of States' really works
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 08:33 PM
Sep 2022

This article was first published by the Epoch Times on February 25, 2021.

"Ignorance lies not in the things you don’t know, but in the things you know that ain’t so.” — Will Rogers

In an earlier, widely shared, essay I contended that state legislatures should require Congress to call a “convention of the states.” Article V of the Constitution empowers such a convention to propose constitutional amendments to correct federal dysfunction. Any proposals would have to be ratified by three-fourths of the states (38 of 50).

The Constitution’s framers added the convention mechanism to allow states to bypass Congress and amend the Constitution if the federal government abused or exceeded its powers.

This essay explains how the procedure works. This information comes from many years of academic research on the constitutional amendment process. No one paid for my conclusions, and they sometimes contradicted my earlier beliefs.'>>>

https://i2i.org/how-a-convention-of-states-really-works/

Deuxcents

(26,929 posts)
8. They have been toying w/ this for years now..
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 08:55 PM
Sep 2022

What n who in this country says they’re equal to the framers of our Constitution? Their convention will include who? If they want to have their own country, they should go find one more to their liking...somewhere in the Middle East or some island in the Pacific n suitable for their totalitarian desires. Not here. Not now. Not ever. I’m not here for long but I will say.. hell no.

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
9. It's good to sound the alarm and not let this slip away. But....they have been talking about this
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:59 PM
Sep 2022

For decades. There just aren’t enough red states to do it…period!

usonian

(25,328 posts)
11. If the "original " constitution, "formulated by Jesus himself"
Tue Sep 20, 2022, 02:14 AM
Sep 2022

is so frickin perfect that it has to be preserved in minute detail, then why frickin change it?

Another case of having it both ways.

And that list is endless.
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