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FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
Fri May 19, 2023, 01:35 PM May 2023

As Trump's legal woes mount, Republicans prep with a new talking point: Jury verdicts don't count



(link) https://www.salon.com/2023/05/19/as-legal-woes-mount-prep-with-a-new-talking-point-jury-verdicts-dont-count/

When E. Jean Carroll won her defamation and sexual abuse lawsuit against Donald Trump earlier this month, Republicans knew exactly who they wanted to blame. No, not Trump's defense attorney, who called no witnesses and offered no evidence in his client's defense. No, not Trump, who keeps undermining his weak denials of the crime by bragging about how guys like him "historically" and "fortunately" get away with sexual assault. No, they blamed the jury.

"That jury's a joke," huffed Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., or as Trump called him during the 2016 primary, "Little Marco". Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., echoed the same claim, grousing about "a New York jury," as if it's preposterous to try a case in the same jurisdiction where the crime actually happened. Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., also took a swipe about the "New York jury."

As Carroll's attorney pointed out repeatedly, of the 9 jurors, 6 were men and only 2 even lived in the city, with 7 hailing from more conservative suburbs. Plus, it's notoriously difficult for sexual abuse victims to get fair hearings in court, not perpetrators. As all these lying Republicans are no doubt aware, Trump lost the case for the simple reason that he's extremely guilty, and could barely be bothered to pretend otherwise.

These swipes at the unanimous jury should not be shrugged off as just another example of Republicans saying some fool thing to get them through the next 5 minutes of the current Trump scandal. This is quite likely not the end of juries weighing in on Trump's crimes. He's already been indicted on nearly 3 dozen counts of financial crimes in Manhattan, making him the first former president ever to be arrested. He's likely to be indicted for election crimes in Georgia over the summer. Plus, Jack Smith, the special prosecutor appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland, has intriguing grand jury investigations into Trump's theft of classified documents and, of course, his attempted coup after losing the 2020 election.


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Chump knows he doesn't have a chance to win a jury over, so now he's call "bullshit" on the entire process.

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As Trump's legal woes mount, Republicans prep with a new talking point: Jury verdicts don't count (Original Post) FakeNoose May 2023 OP
Unless the verdicts favor them. live love laugh May 2023 #1
Also bench trial verdicts don't count, b/c judges are deep state regardless of who appointed them RockRaven May 2023 #2
Let's see what they have to say when they are in front of a jury. Bev54 May 2023 #3
That's one reason the investigators and prosecutors Danascot May 2023 #4

RockRaven

(15,018 posts)
2. Also bench trial verdicts don't count, b/c judges are deep state regardless of who appointed them
Fri May 19, 2023, 01:49 PM
May 2023

or something.

Danascot

(4,695 posts)
4. That's one reason the investigators and prosecutors
Sat May 20, 2023, 08:56 AM
May 2023

have to be so meticulous about building the cases to be airtight. His guilt has to be crystal clear to the most clueless juror.

However that still doesn't solve the problem of there being one Trump MAGA on a jury that votes to acquit. We may lose some of these cases for that reason. We just have to hope we win enough to put him away.

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