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marmar

(77,039 posts)
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:01 AM Dec 2023

Curtains for Moms for Liberty: The fallout of a rape charge shows the far-right group is floundering


Curtains for Moms for Liberty: The fallout of a rape charge shows the far-right group is floundering
Gov. Ron DeSantis bet big on the book banners, but after electoral losses, even he's pushing them out the door

By AMANDA MARCOTTE
Senior Writer
PUBLISHED DECEMBER 4, 2023 6:00AM (EST)


(Salon) At first, there was little that was surprising about a report that Christian Ziegler, the husband of Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler, is under police investigation in Sarasota, FL following a rape allegation. The modus operandi of Moms for Liberty and their allies is implying, often outright falsely accusing, everyone from drag queens to school librarians of being sexual predators. Lurid finger-pointing from conservatives is often, as most folks have figured out by now, a form of psychological projection. It hasn't even been two weeks since the release of a similar story outing a Philadelphia organizer for Moms of Liberty for his 2012 conviction of sexual abuse of a 14-year-old boy.

Just as predictable were the details dug up by local reporters for the Florida Trident that the alleged victim told police "that she and both Zieglers had been involved in a three-year consensual three-way sexual relationship." The report alleges she had been alone with Christian Ziegler, who is also the chair of the Florida GOP, the night of the alleged rape. Time and again, we have seen this story play out: The self-appointed guardians of everyone else's sexual morality often have rather exotic sex lives of their own. Just ask Jerry Falwell Jr.

But what is genuinely startling — downright shocking, even — is there are signs that these revelations could result in bona fide political consequences for the Zieglers. Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose support of Moms for Liberty played a huge role in the group's skyrocketing to national prominence, didn't mince words when asked about the allegations Thursday night. He called on Ziegler to resign, saying, "He’s innocent till proven guilty, but we just can’t have a party chair that is under that type of scrutiny."

....(snip)....

The speed with which the Zieglers are being tossed overboard is fascinating because it wasn't that long ago that the couple were some of the biggest rising stars in the GOP, especially in Florida. DeSantis aligned himself so firmly with Moms for Liberty that they seemed all but an official part of his presidential campaign. He gave a keynote address at the Moms for Liberty conference in Philadelphia in July. He also did innumerable events highlighting the group's work in banning books in school, terrorizing teachers for being LGBTQ or allies, and intimidating educators out of teaching facts about history that conservatives would rather keep hidden. Bridget Ziegler played a strong hand in writing Florida's "don't say gay" law. DeSantis even appointed her to the tourism board he constructed to harass Disney for daring to speak out against his anti-LGBTQ agenda. .......................(more)

https://www.salon.com/2023/12/04/curtains-for-moms-for-liberty-the-fallout-of-a-rape-charge-shows-the-far-right-group-is-floundering/




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Curtains for Moms for Liberty: The fallout of a rape charge shows the far-right group is floundering (Original Post) marmar Dec 2023 OP
Not only rape but bi-sexual activities as well................................. Lovie777 Dec 2023 #1
Typical... FalloutShelter Dec 2023 #2
But they always do Historic NY Dec 2023 #3
And now they're cancelled. FalloutShelter Dec 2023 #4
Conservatives are Goebbels scholars of Public Relations BOSSHOG Dec 2023 #33
Marking to read later. tanyev Dec 2023 #5
You can click the My Notes button; no need to make empty post; only you see Notes click . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #11
Where is "my notes"? Lucky Luciano Dec 2023 #29
Top right of this thread page (with all the posts), Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #30
Ok...probably not rendering on an iPad then. Lucky Luciano Dec 2023 #31
Could be, or perhaps the content is too large. Try zooming out, pinching the page, making content smaller Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #32
Try this until you resolve... magicarpet Dec 2023 #42
Thx but I'm not the one with the problem. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #45
Couldn't happen to a more deserving group. Biophilic Dec 2023 #6
The sad part is things like this are their undoing Major Nikon Dec 2023 #10
I won't be surprised if Ronnie and Casey.... rubbersole Dec 2023 #7
I really don't like how we're mixing up not-hetero relationships with non-consensual ones knightmaar Dec 2023 #8
Speak for yourself. It's both, not either or, and we can keep them organized Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #14
The case in Philly was clearly child molestation Geechie Dec 2023 #36
OK, thx. That was only 3 percent of words in OP. I missed that; separate case. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #39
It's the hypocrisy combined with their targeting of others people Dec 2023 #21
Could we add a few more issues to the list magicarpet Dec 2023 #43
Maybe books ruined their family values IronLionZion Dec 2023 #9
Well "Mom's for Menage" moniss Dec 2023 #12
I guess that Moms for Liberty really meant... llmart Dec 2023 #13
It means "Liberty for us authoritarian masters", none for Dems or PoC or "aliens" or the Other. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #40
Moms For Libertines DinahMoeHum Dec 2023 #15
Thanks for this. Kudos to Rick Wilson, once again. Hekate Dec 2023 #20
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2023 #27
marmar.......... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #16
When hate groups, such as the moms group are exposed to the light they usually turn out to be Deplorable LOSERS. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2023 #17
DeSantis' great line!!! Grins Dec 2023 #18
Fish rots from the head down Warpy Dec 2023 #19
So Salon calls this an "exotic" sex life . Permanut Dec 2023 #22
Crawl back under your rock "ladies." Or is it slither?? Evolve Dammit Dec 2023 #23
"Slither" definitely works. calimary Dec 2023 #24
The way I heard it DJ Porkchop Dec 2023 #25
Another hate group down. So typical, something going on in the background when RKP5637 Dec 2023 #26
Excellent all these christofascist types always seem to have skeletons in their closet kimbutgar Dec 2023 #28
Don't count the bad people out. chouchou Dec 2023 #34
Color me Schadenfreude swimboy Dec 2023 #35
Knock me over with a feather. Duncan Grant Dec 2023 #37
Thanks! swimboy Dec 2023 #44
"The self-appointed guardians of everyone else's sexual morality often have rather exotic sex lives of their own. Demovictory9 Dec 2023 #38
He's the real founder of Moms for Liberty---designed to publicize the Ziegler name in GOP circles. Timeflyer Dec 2023 #41

Lovie777

(12,173 posts)
1. Not only rape but bi-sexual activities as well.................................
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:12 AM
Dec 2023

Rwers talk shit about how up right they are, the purity thingy and how sexual assault, rape and gays are beneath them because they have the morality of their Gawd, but hey..................................

BOSSHOG

(36,965 posts)
33. Conservatives are Goebbels scholars of Public Relations
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:26 PM
Dec 2023

Tell a lie loudly and often, and

ACCUSE YOUR ENEMIES OF DOING WHAT YOU DO.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,896 posts)
30. Top right of this thread page (with all the posts),
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 08:54 PM
Dec 2023

... under MY DU, under the >> links, white letters on blue, separate box.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,896 posts)
32. Could be, or perhaps the content is too large. Try zooming out, pinching the page, making content smaller
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:00 PM
Dec 2023

Also try moving the page in the frame, moving the page left to reveal more on the right.

If that doesn't work, post a question in DU Community Help and see what EarlG says about it. Now I'm kinda curious.

magicarpet

(14,086 posts)
42. Try this until you resolve...
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:48 PM
Dec 2023

Rather than holding the cell phone on the vertical plane try thr horizontal plane.

It widens the view so it does not disappear off the edge is the page.

Biophilic

(3,600 posts)
6. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:17 AM
Dec 2023

Mom’s for liberty is truly despicable. The harm these people have done will take years to undo.

Major Nikon

(36,817 posts)
10. The sad part is things like this are their undoing
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:00 PM
Dec 2023

...and not all the lives of children they are hell bent on destroying.

rubbersole

(6,640 posts)
7. I won't be surprised if Ronnie and Casey....
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:25 AM
Dec 2023

...have a perverted kink or two up their sleeves (so to speak). Not just feathers, but the whole chicken kinda kink.

knightmaar

(748 posts)
8. I really don't like how we're mixing up not-hetero relationships with non-consensual ones
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:54 AM
Dec 2023

This article is weird.
I don't care if your preacher has consensual three-ways with a pool boy or whatever.
I guess you have be e-tainment or whatever and go, "Ooooh! He pretends to be moral, but he shares his wife with another man!"
But really.
That's none of my business.
It's the rape.
The child molestation.
That's the problem.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,896 posts)
14. Speak for yourself. It's both, not either or, and we can keep them organized
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:12 PM
Dec 2023

That wanna-be christian, Mr Christian Ziegler, a married man, is accused of rape. He is accused of entering the woman's home and raping her in her own home.

The anti-LGBTQ2 fascist Mrs Christian (Bridget) Ziegler is accused of deep hypocrisy for being publicly against lesbian and bisexual mores while being bisexual herself.

Both hypocrisy and rape apply and we know the difference.

I have not seen ANYBODY on DU write against threesomes or consensual sex. The threesomes were consensual (but soaked in hypocrisy). The rape was not consensual. We know the difference.

What the hell evidence do have that child molestation occurred? Why do you claim it? It was rape (the non-consensual sex) and the hypocrisy. There were no allegations of child molestation. (At least we got that clear.)

people

(617 posts)
21. It's the hypocrisy combined with their targeting of others
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:58 PM
Dec 2023

They are major hypocrites and are targeting teachers and libraries and LGTBQ+ kids. If they were'nt targeting others for their own behavior none of this would matter.

magicarpet

(14,086 posts)
43. Could we add a few more issues to the list
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 10:42 PM
Dec 2023

-----> HYPOCRACY - at world class level.

-----> Condemning others for their diverse sexual appetites/interests between consenting adults - and shit trashing their lives in the process.
Then partaking in near identical sexual exploits themselves - but somehow thinking it is only a private matter. Even if alleged rape is part of the equation - they are good Christian Nationalists - and are entitled to a free pass.

You know it would be nice if commenters here on DU were not so quick to label others smut scribes. Most people who post here do not come to comment to give their titillating jollies a venting platform.

These are complex social issues.
Shit trashing other people because they are not morally inclined as you - think they should be and condemning them.

Then low and behold a short time later you are found engaging in the same type or very similar conduct you condemned other of.

That is the hallmark of a hypocrite. And these Christian Nazis ought to have an intense spotlight of attention cast upon them until they get second degree burns.

Ironic - Mom's of Liberty pulled the same bullshit as that drunken ass clown at Liberty University. Does the pool boy show up at the book burning ceremonies while the big shot Nazis are up in the Presidential suite of some fancy hotel having exciting orgies and fucking each other silly ?

With election 2024 steam rolling toward us we had best better get our ducks lined up and use this ammunition against them, don't be shy. This election is going to get down and dirty like we have never seen before.

If we don't win this election American Democracy will transition into a Fascist state before our eyes.




IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
9. Maybe books ruined their family values
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:55 AM
Dec 2023

It would be nice if it brought down that group. But I wouldn't hold my breath. Conservative hypocrisy and perversion knows no bounds.

moniss

(4,101 posts)
12. Well "Mom's for Menage"
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:03 PM
Dec 2023

aka "Mommy Has a Secret" was bound to end up in some sort of intrigue. This kind of group always does.

llmart

(15,524 posts)
13. I guess that Moms for Liberty really meant...
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:11 PM
Dec 2023

the "liberty" to screw whoever and whatever they wanted to. They never did say what "liberty" meant.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,896 posts)
40. It means "Liberty for us authoritarian masters", none for Dems or PoC or "aliens" or the Other. . . . nt
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 06:17 AM
Dec 2023

DinahMoeHum

(21,766 posts)
15. Moms For Libertines
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:17 PM
Dec 2023

Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson has an excellent substack and YouTube piece spelling out the state of Florida's role in all this. (and he would know, being a 5th-generation Floridian himself, but never a social conservative in GOP circles)

https://therickwilson.substack.com/p/floridas-gop-sex-scandal-gets-ugly?r=1ne2d&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Hekate

(90,458 posts)
20. Thanks for this. Kudos to Rick Wilson, once again.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:19 PM
Dec 2023


Edited to add: I’ll bet you he’s a Carl Hiaassen fan.

Upthevibe

(7,966 posts)
16. marmar..........
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:18 PM
Dec 2023

Thank for the post.

This is despicable!

The co-founder of Moms for Liberty is bi and she helped write the law for the Florida "Don't Say Gay" laws!!!!!!

NoMoreRepugs

(9,348 posts)
17. When hate groups, such as the moms group are exposed to the light they usually turn out to be Deplorable LOSERS.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:35 PM
Dec 2023

Grins

(7,172 posts)
18. DeSantis' great line!!!
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:55 PM
Dec 2023
“He’s innocent till proven guilty, but we just can’t have a party chair that is under that type of scrutiny."

The irony being three days ago, 112 Republicans in Congress voted “No!” on the expulsion of George Santos. 112 Republicans said Santos’ appalling behavior was just fine with them!

DeSantis said this (can’t believe I’m writing this) despite Santos being also presumed “innocent until proven guilty” and only accused by the House ethics Committee.

I can’t wait to see how Fox will cover this dichotomy. (Heck; I already know - with silence.)

Warpy

(111,095 posts)
19. Fish rots from the head down
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:01 PM
Dec 2023

and wherever you find one of these right wing "mommy" organizations, you'll find an unbelievably corrupt male running the show.

Look out for "Moms for Freedom," they're next. I am not joking.

DJ Porkchop

(435 posts)
25. The way I heard it
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 06:13 PM
Dec 2023

Christian wanted sex with Player 3 without his wife there. She wasn't into it, and so he raped her.
This pig has a bisexual wife, and her lesbian girlfriend wasn't down, and he can't get laid without getting violent.
Throw him in jail.

RKP5637

(67,073 posts)
26. Another hate group down. So typical, something going on in the background when
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 06:27 PM
Dec 2023

they go after vengeance and hatred. ... doth protest too much.

kimbutgar

(21,011 posts)
28. Excellent all these christofascist types always seem to have skeletons in their closet
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 08:24 PM
Dec 2023

Just saw a documentary on ID Let us Prey: a ministry of scandals about IFB. All these youth ministers were raping young girls and when they were busted the head guy of IFB just moved the guy to another ministry. They are very misogynistic and women were considered second class and they must fully submit to their husbands or they will be damned. It was very cult like and I wondered if they are maga cult members also.

chouchou

(580 posts)
34. Don't count the bad people out.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:44 PM
Dec 2023

I live in Sarasota. Not in town, but in the county.
This city is heavy with right wing couples. They have lots of money and lots of corruption.
Bad news and bad actions tend to somehow fly away in this area of Florida.
Very small example (and not giving any clues) Person and his company gets MANY millions to build a certain structure.
Builds some of it, perhaps 40 percent. Stops buildiing..no problem. Paper investigates.
Nothing happens. 2 years..4..6 years. Nothing happens. Never will.
Justice here is for the average Joe and Jill.

Demovictory9

(32,398 posts)
38. "The self-appointed guardians of everyone else's sexual morality often have rather exotic sex lives of their own.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 03:43 AM
Dec 2023

Yep!

Timeflyer

(1,988 posts)
41. He's the real founder of Moms for Liberty---designed to publicize the Ziegler name in GOP circles.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 10:04 AM
Dec 2023

The hypocrisy and hubris of this whole sordid mess is almost beyond belief. Bridget Ziegler presided over Sarasota School Board meetings where self-righteous MAGA Moms for L used their public comment time to viciously humiliate the one liberal board member, who happens to be gay. She never stopped them, let them excoriate him. The cruelty behind the hypocrisy is infuriating. So many very young people have been harmed by the targeting of LBGTQ, made to feel like their lives were in danger in Florida.

It will take years to undo the damage they leave in their wake.

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