Trump says Epstein poached young women from Mar-a-Lago. That raises new questions about what he knew.

[Dulcinea]

(CNN) President Donald Trump wants to move on from his administration’s fiasco over the Jeffrey Epstein files, but he keeps hampering that effort by opening his mouth.

The most recent instance has to do with precisely why the two men had a falling out about two decades ago.

Trump acknowledged on Tuesday that the employees who he said Monday that Epstein poached from him, triggering their breakup, were young women who worked in the spa at his Mar-a-Lago club.

“The answer is yes, they were,” he told reporters on Air Force One while traveling back from Scotland.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-says-epstein-poached-young-202735555.html

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Not surprising

for a CEO to pay attention to every last detail, if only superficially. But the take away imho is he knew everything, and the fringes of the Epstein enterprise could have many more damaging elements.

[gab13by13]

2. The falling out wasn't over losing Virginia Giuffre

Krasnov probably offered her up to Epstein.

Krasnov's falling out with Epstein was over a real estate transaction, was over money.

Trump and Epstein were best friends is the bottom line.

[Marcuse]

13. Epstein consulted Trump about a big real estate deal. Trump double crossed him and bought the property for himself

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Trump soon resold it to a Russian oligarch for a huuuuge profit in laundered rubles. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/why-did-a-russian-pay-95m-to-buy-trumps-palm-beach-mansion/

[gab13by13]

26. They were also both bidding on a mansion

Krasnov was pissed that Epstein was bidding which drove up the price and cost Krasnov millions of dollars.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

34. Krasnov should know that you can always just stop bidding if the price is too high.

You don't NEED to bid, if you are of normal sound mind

[PatSeg]

21. Yes, exactly

He should have just stuck to that story. His new version just raises more unsettling questions.

[Igel]

30. It was at least a 2-step process.

It's said that after the real estate deal (which Trump won, to Epstein's disgust ... While Epstein bid up the property, to Trump's revulsion) they had their real rupture.

But it's also said that before that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-A-Lago because Epstein was, and I quote, "a creep." However, away from MAL they still interacted until the real estate clash.

Nuance.

[tanyev]

3. So the real problem here is that Epstein stole employees from Trump.

Employees, who by virtue of their young age, couldn’t have worked at Mar-a-Lago very long and could presumably be easily replaced. Aren’t there long lines of people wanting to work at an awesome place like MAL? (sarcasm)

He’s got no anger that Epstein was recruiting minors for sex trafficking?

And oh, by the way, why in the world did Trump hire girls under the age of 18 to work in the spa at MAL??? If what you’re looking for is a legit massage to loosen up the muscles, someone older/larger/trained and certified is what a premier resort would hire. The type of premier resort Trump pretends he runs.

[PatSeg]

22. Yes, that is the question that occurred to me as well

Why was Mar-a-Lago hiring such young girls to work in its spa in the first place? Was that even legal?

[tanyev]

24. Yep, even if a spa needed a few employees to replenish towels and other low-level things,

you still don’t want underage girls running around where wealthy men accustomed to having anything they want, anytime they want are walking around wearing only a towel.

If the customers are pervs, they’ll quickly come up with ideas that are a) illegal b) harmful to your staff and c) puts the spa in a lot of legal liability. If the customers are not pervs, I think it would make them very uncomfortable to have underage girls working there.

[PatSeg]

25. I was thinking of some of the first jobs my daughter

held as a teenager - grocery store bagger, concession stand at a movie theater, and Sizzler. I can't imagine her working at a spa at a high end club and I can't imagine what kind of club would hire someone that young. Really creepy.

[tanyev]

33. Yeah, I spent a few summers waiting tables at a family restaurant in a small town

before I was old enough to drink. Had to grab one of the older waitresses to deliver drinks anytime anyone ordered a beer. Weird and suspicious that a so-called high end club would hire girls that young to work in the spa.

[creeksneakers2]

41. As of now its illegal in Florida to hire someone under 18

as a massage therapist. Not sure what the law was in 2,000 but I'll try again tomorrow to find out.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/0480.041

480.041 Massage therapists; qualifications; licensure; endorsement.—
(1) Any person is qualified for licensure as a massage therapist under this act who:
(a) Is at least 18 years of age or has received a high school diploma or high school equivalency diploma;

[tanyev]

42. At first I assumed because of her age she would be doing things other than massages,

but then I saw this eye-popping quote from “a source at Mar-a-Lago” in a story from 2007:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143503895#post7

Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.

https://pagesix.com/2007/10/15/sex-case-victims-lining-up/

Basically the same exact story Trump just peddled, but using the word masseuse. Also using the very careful phrase “about 18 years old”, which sound a lot more legal than “underage”. We now know that Trump frequently called media outlets himself to get his version of a story out there. Very good odds this “source” was Trump himself.

[creeksneakers2]

43. I don't think she was 18

They are reporting the events happened in 2,000. Virginia's Wikipedia page gives her birth day as August 9, 1983. That would make here no younger than 17.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre

[tanyev]

44. Agreed. She was not 18.

But whoever called that quote in to Page Six, really, really wanted to create the impression that it was an 18 year old.

[creeksneakers2]

45. Cover up!

[no_hypocrisy]

4. The question to be asked is

why would TSF care about an underaged girl (who didn't have work papers) who worked at the spa going to work for another job?

I could understand some resentment if it had been a manager of Marl-A-Lago who oversaw operations of the property and the business. And even that could be allowed under Employment Law, save for a contract and/or a contract for non-competition.

But a girl doing a brainless job of replacing towels in a spa?

If you're going to lie, make it believable.

[robbob]

6. Knowing tRump these girls were probably more then employees

That sick fuck was probably grooming them for his own perversions. We know, like his best buddy Jeff, that he also likes them “on the young side”. Sickening. The whole world is asking how the American people ever let this disgusting malignant clown ascend to the highest office in the land. Twice.

[OldBaldy1701E]

8. I fear that they are not asking that question.

They are asking, "What in the holy fuck is wrong with Americans!"

Because they know that this turd did not just walk into the White House and claim power.

[Emile]

5. Why did Trump have a underage masseuse working

at Mar-a-Lago?

[IronLionZion]

19. Trump would like us to stop asking these questions

Dude is looking guilty as hell

[NJCher]

7. It's a lie with a kernel

Of truth. I believe Virgina Giuffre worked there at one time.

One of the case experts on msnbc immediately said it’s a lie.

You know how on a criminal interrogation, the criminal keeps coming up with lame explanations for what they did? That’s what this is.

[GusBob]

9. Is this timing correct?

Cant trust anything you read these days

Yr 2000: Virginia is recruited away from MAL
Yr 2002: Trump says JE is a great guy who likes his girls young
Yr 2004: No longer are the perverts BFFs

[Baitball Blogger]

10. It's the question du jour.

If Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein was sex trafficking underage women, did that make him an accomplice to the crime?

[twodogsbarking]

11. Definition of Trump, err I mean poach.

poach
/pōCH/
verb

illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own or in contravention of official protection.

[Martin68]

32. In other words, Epstein stole some of "his" girls. Two pimps in competition.

[twodogsbarking]

36. The reference "poach" infers the girls were, well, prey. Somewhat like admitting what you stated.

[Botany]

12. I. O. W.s Trump was into sex trafficking too either as a partner with Epstein or running a separate business

And why do I think this or these businesses were international criminal operations and had ties
to Putin?

From handing out towels to going to work for Epstein is a stretch. Epstein’s businesses were:
1) Sex Trafficking
2) Blackmail and kompromat (see Putin)
3) Money laundering ….. just one of Epstein’s bank accounts had 1.1 billion in transfers
including deposits from Trump.

[Happy Hoosier]

14. "poached from him"

I know the term is commonly used, but it's especially gross here. You are poaching when you take game on someone elses hunting grounds.

It's probably more accurate here than otherwise. But I HATE the language we use that suggest employess belong to their companies.

[llmart]

16. My beef with the terminology is...

it shows how little he values women/girls, treating them like objects or animals to be "poached". A legitimate employer would saying something to the affect of "she worked for me and he lured her away with a better offer if she would come work for him."

[Happy Hoosier]

17. I mean, the term is used....

I am in a competitive industry and the term IS used when one company goes after another company's valuable employees. But yeah, it suggests property and ownership. And when applied to young women, it's especially disgusting.

[niyad]

15. GOD DAMN YOU, yahoo. 16-year olds are NOT "women". They are MINORS.

[Marcuse]

18. Clearly they must have been qualified and valued corporate assets with accelerated degrees in Physiotherapy.

[IronLionZion]

20. Young girls, not women

underage, minors, children, not adult women.

[Clouds Passing]

23. Either means dump was poaching from Jeff or they were swapping, which is probably more the likely

[Hornedfrog2000]

28. He was part of it, lets get real

They were both agents for Putin.

[Clouds Passing]

47. Pimps

[Hornedfrog2000]

27. So pedo trump groomed kids?

Is that what im hearing? He groomed the kids before he sent them on the pedo plane?

The pedophile literally helped epstein with sex trafficking.

[RobertDevereaux]

29. Killer cover of the current The Week magazine, August 1st.

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[calimary]

40. LOVE this!

[Martin68]

31. I think Trump is making a mistake emphasizing this aspect of the story. It suggests he had a beef with Epstein, which

doesn't necessarily help his cause.

[stopdiggin]

35. it is virtually no secret (or 'news') that Donald Trump knew his buddy

had a predilection for 'younger' girls. He has been on record (for a long time, and more or less openly) saying so.

[Figarosmom]

37. Isn't thst what pimps say? .....nt

[red dog 1]

38. Shut the fuck up, Donny!

[calimary]

39. I don't know how he does it, but he keeps getting ickier and ickier by the day.

Hell, by the HOUR.

[pazzyanne]

46. "poached"

Ya, right!!!