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Zorro

(18,313 posts)
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:27 AM Friday

Here's how Trump gets away with using dubious numbers

Much attention has been focused on Donald Trump’s use of words — that is, his peculiar style of oratory. But more attention should be paid to another feature of his discourse: his use of numbers.

Trump doesn’t use numbers the way most of us do, as “things that can be added, subtracted, multiplied, and divided,” as Columbia University statistician Andrew Gelman put it. Rather, he uses them as rhetorical objects.

That habit was vividly on display during Trump’s televised speech Wednesday night. He claimed that President Biden’s immigration policies had admitted “11,888 murderers.” That his own tariffs and trade deals had brought in “$18 trillion of investment” from abroad. That deals he negotiated with drug companies and foreign countries had “slashed prices on drugs and pharmaceuticals by as much as 400, 500 and even 600 percent.”

I asked the White House for its sources for these figures, but didn’t receive a reply.

The exploitation of big or vague statistics to make a partisan point isn’t novel. It was perfected in the 1950s by Sen. Joseph McCarthy, whose claim about the number of communists in the State Department shifted from 57 to 205 to 81 to 207 in speeches to varied audiences.

McCarthy didn’t actually have a “list” of reds, as he claimed — his goal was to communicate that there were lots of them, the specific number unimportant.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-12-19/heres-how-trump-gets-away-with-using-fake-numbers

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Here's how Trump gets away with using dubious numbers (Original Post) Zorro Friday OP
Donald Trump learned a lot from Roy Cohn, Joe McCarthy's former partner in crime. sop Friday #1
I watch Stephanie Miller and she does it too, gab13by13 Friday #2
This new "if we stop testing for Covid, there will be fewer reported cases," just dropped: LetMyPeopleVote Friday #3

sop

(17,261 posts)
1. Donald Trump learned a lot from Roy Cohn, Joe McCarthy's former partner in crime.
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 09:39 AM
Friday

Cohn taught Trump how to lie, fabricate and make aggressive accusations with little to no facts to support them.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,158 posts)
3. This new "if we stop testing for Covid, there will be fewer reported cases," just dropped:
Fri Dec 19, 2025, 06:10 PM
Friday

These numbers are cooked and no one can rely on these numbers



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