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marmar

(79,442 posts)
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 10:09 AM 12 hrs ago

MAGA's war on "woke" has a long history -- like 400 years


MAGA’s war on “woke” has a long history — like 400 years
Trump and Stephen Miller don’t just want to erase the 20th century. Their dream is much bigger than that

By Andrew O'Hehir
Executive Editor
Published February 8, 2026 6:45AM (EST)


(Salon) One explicit goal of the second Trump administration, if not its defining mission, is to undo the recent past and rewrite history to fit its own master narrative. By now it’s axiomatic that making America “great again” has never referred to any fixed point in the actual American past; it’s more like a mashup or highlight reel of random images taken from eras before any living American was born. We can see that vision embodied with startling literalness in the propaganda posters recently concocted by the Labor Department, such as the depiction of a whites-only church picnic apparently taking place in Uncanny Valley. If the rise of Donald Trump preceded the advent of AI slop, it may also have conjured it into existence: Never in cultural history have form and content been so perfectly matched.

We already know that Trump and his inner circle — which mostly means Stephen Miller and Russ Vought, the high priests of MAGA ideology — want to erase the gains of the civil rights movement, LGBTQ equality and feminism. But their true goals are far more ambitious, if less easy to define. This is a fake presidency devoted more to creating viral memes than shaping policy, and there’s no coherent or consistent narrative at work. Honestly, that’s less a flaw than a feature: The wholesale rejection of reality is central to the brand.

....(snip)....

But the question we should ask is how far these fantasies go. Reversing nearly all the immigration of the last six decades? Absolutely. Overturning Brown v. Board of Education? Probably, but on the DL. Rolling back the entire New Deal and all the labor reforms of the 20th century? Hell to the yes. Undoing women’s suffrage and birthright citizenship and the Civil War and most of the Constitution? Yeah, maybe,. Let’s change the subject.

....(snip)....

Admittedly, even the most articulate MAGA ideologues — not that there are many — haven’t gone that far. But that’s where the collective brotastic idiocies of Peter Thiel and Jordan Peterson and Curtis Yarvin and Andrew Tate and Pete Hegseth and whomever else all converge: Somewhere in the recent or distant or mythical past, everything totally ruled and “we” (a term of art, I hasten to add) never felt bad about any of it. Guys were guys and women were hot and there was lots of feasting and stuff. There was no wokeness, no political correctness, no gender-neutral bathrooms. Nobody used pronouns or talked about inequality or intersectionality or was gay (except sometimes in the locker room) or tried to make us ashamed for being awesome. ..................(more)

https://www.salon.com/2026/02/08/magas-war-on-woke-has-a-long-history-like-400-years/




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C_U_L8R

(49,127 posts)
1. It seems like an eternal battle that swings back and forth
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 10:21 AM
12 hrs ago

…the enlightened humans versus the regressive troglodytes

walkingman

(10,507 posts)
2. I guess I naively did not realize how many people longed to live in this version of reality?
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 10:39 AM
12 hrs ago

As someone born in 1950, I always thought we were making great progress. I guess dominance and brutality are attractive to some?

Not the kind of world I want to live in and I cannot see many young people wanting it either?

Toxic masculinity and white supremacy have proven to be not that attractive to most people.

So "Fuck off" MAGA ☮

markodochartaigh

(5,242 posts)
5. I was born in '57.
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 10:59 AM
11 hrs ago

I grew up gay in Amarillo Texas. I was able to move to Dallas before I was 30. Almost all of our family moved to the Bay Area in California in the 50's and 60's. I have also seen extraordinary social progress. But the progress has been very uneven between areas of the country, and even now, Amarillo is not as socially advanced as the Bay Area was in the 60's.
And now the reich-wing wing has an intense focus on promoting exactly toxic masculinity in the gamer culture of young men. During the coming economic turbulence engendered by the Trump regime I'm worried that there will be a great number of economically frustrated young men looking to take out their frustration on everyone whom they see as of a lower social status than themselves.
I wish that the Democratic party could educate these young men to realize that it isn't the marginalized classes taking away their opportunities.

walkingman

(10,507 posts)
7. I was transf by my work to Houston in '74 (age 23) and transf again in '87 to Austin.
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 11:51 AM
10 hrs ago

So I have been in Texas all of my adult life after college. I now live in a rural area outside of Austin and most of Texas, except for the urban and suburbs areas, are as you describe Amarillo in terms of enlightenment.

Texas has gotten almost unrecognizable over the last 30 years...worse and worse in terms of politics, climate, social advancement. I call it beer-joint mentality with a dose of religiosity.

You are very fortunate that your family moved to the Bay area.

As far as young men these days...I'm not sure the solution? I hope as the baton is passed to the next generation, they realize they can choose the kind of world they would like to live in and stop the blame game and unite for a better world while it is still an option. I fear if this continues much longer, our society will collapse and those choices will disappear.

Our generation took a lot for granted and now we watch in horror as we see it all disappearing before our eyes. I have much empathy for young people these days. ☮

bucolic_frolic

(54,498 posts)
6. When cutthroat capitalism had no impediments
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 11:08 AM
11 hrs ago

You could pollute, buy and sell slaves, put children to work at age 6. Back then?

ificandream

(11,766 posts)
8. As it seems like we're veering toward destruction, the fact the goals of these magas are going to be tough gives me hope
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 01:39 PM
9 hrs ago

As long as the protests and the voices keep coming, we should win. We shall overcome, as the song goes.

Uncle Joe

(64,564 posts)
9. "This is the scar that history give us"
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 02:52 PM
7 hrs ago

(snip)

Ever since Montaigne, European consciousness has accused itself of barbarity, and this self-accusation … is perhaps Montaigne’s most precious legacy — hence the serious resentment one can feel toward those who worship national identity and ignore what constitutes the heart, though perhaps the toxic heart, of Europe’s collective consciousness: the anxiety of now being the world’s barbarians.

This is “the scar that history has given us,” Boucheron continues, and ever since “we have been born already fissured, disturbed, uneasy.” Western history and culture contain more evidence of that unease that can possibly be enumerated, from Shakespeare’s “The Tempest” to Thomas Jefferson, the father of American democracy, tying himself in knots over the evils of slavery to Joseph Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness” (clearly referenced above by Boucheron).

In its most distilled form, MAGA ideology promises to salve that unease and heal the fissure, transporting its believers into an AI-slop alternate universe where the heart of darkness has been whitewashed and no one remembers slavery or imperialism or misogyny or thinks any of that was a problem. That’s a lot more ambitious than simply undoing the major political and social reforms of the last century. It’s more like transforming human consciousness, and the fact that it can’t be done doesn’t mean it won’t be massively destructive.

(snip)

https://www.salon.com/2026/02/08/magas-war-on-woke-has-a-long-history-like-400-years/



Thanks for the thread marmar

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