Sun Dec 11, 2011, 05:52 PM
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 Frum: Fox News creates an ‘alternative knowledge system’ (Original post) |
Duct Tape | Dec 2011 | OP |
| JBoy | Dec 2011 | #1 | |
| libinnyandia | Dec 2011 | #5 | |
| jtrockville | Dec 2011 | #17 | |
| slay | Dec 2011 | #33 | |
| AlbertCat | Dec 2011 | #39 | |
| jtrockville | Dec 2011 | #43 | |
| freefall | Dec 2011 | #48 | |
| jtrockville | Dec 2011 | #49 | |
| JHB | Dec 2011 | #25 | |
| lovuian | Dec 2011 | #2 | |
| rocktivity | Dec 2011 | #3 | |
| CJCRANE | Dec 2011 | #4 | |
| cyglet | Dec 2011 | #6 | |
| meow2u3 | Dec 2011 | #7 | |
| Larry Ogg | Dec 2011 | #22 | |
| Fozzledick | Dec 2011 | #27 | |
| Larry Ogg | Dec 2011 | #28 | |
| tomg | Dec 2011 | #29 | |
| Larry Ogg | Dec 2011 | #36 | |
| AlbertCat | Dec 2011 | #40 | |
| arely staircase | Dec 2011 | #8 | |
| mwb970 | Dec 2011 | #14 | |
| The Wizard | Dec 2011 | #19 | |
| arely staircase | Dec 2011 | #34 | |
| Stuart G | Dec 2011 | #9 | |
| MisterP | Dec 2011 | #10 | |
| Little Tich | Dec 2011 | #11 | |
| eppur_se_muova | Dec 2011 | #12 | |
| eyewall | Dec 2011 | #13 | |
| Magoo48 | Dec 2011 | #15 | |
| Scuba | Dec 2011 | #16 | |
| The Wizard | Dec 2011 | #18 | |
| liberal N proud | Dec 2011 | #20 | |
| rdneal | Dec 2011 | #44 | |
| JayceR | Dec 2011 | #21 | |
| AlbertCat | Dec 2011 | #42 | |
| PassingFair | Dec 2011 | #23 | |
| ShockediSay | Dec 2011 | #24 | |
| roseBudd | Dec 2011 | #26 | |
| smokey nj | Dec 2011 | #30 | |
| ihavenobias | Dec 2011 | #31 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Dec 2011 | #32 | |
| rocktivity | Dec 2011 | #38 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Dec 2011 | #47 | |
| MarkCharles | Dec 2011 | #35 | |
| Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin | Dec 2011 | #37 | |
| indepat | Dec 2011 | #41 | |
| mmonk | Dec 2011 | #45 | |
| usrname | Dec 2011 | #46 | |
| Yavin4 | Dec 2011 | #50 | |
| benld74 | Dec 2011 | #51 | |
| The Genealogist | Dec 2011 | #52 |
Response to JBoy (Reply #1)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:02 PM
5. He did say that he would vote for the GOP candidate no matter who he or she is.
Response to jtrockville (Reply #17)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:10 PM
33. Good point
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and i don't like the boat.
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Response to JBoy (Reply #1)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:23 PM
JHB (35,054 posts)
25. Don't waste too much "like" on him...
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 06:02 PM
2. It is more sinister than that Its Propoganda
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 06:21 PM
rocktivity (44,268 posts)
3. But conservative "pretend information" was your SPECIALITY, Frum!
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Last edited Tue Dec 13, 2011, 12:01 AM - Edit history (1) You were a fully-functioning cog in that pseudo-"knowledge system," Mr. Axis of Evil, until you insulted the Rethug leadership and they gave you the heave-ho!
P.S. Remember this oldie but goodie, Frum? You tried to sing the same song to Rachel Maddow, and SHE gave you the heave-ho! 
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Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 07:23 PM
meow2u3 (24,516 posts)
7. Translation into plain English
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Alternative knowledge system = a pack of lies packaged as information.
This is the funniest--and most tragic--euphemism for propaganda I've ever heard. I don't know whether to laugh or shake in my boots.  |
Response to meow2u3 (Reply #7)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:57 AM
22. Even the word "Propaganda" is a little too soft when your talking about...
Response to Larry Ogg (Reply #22)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:18 PM
27. I believe the precise technical term is "disinformation".
Response to Fozzledick (Reply #27)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:11 PM
28. And in clinical terms it would be called pathological lying...
Response to tomg (Reply #29)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:44 PM
36. Thank you tomg, truth doesn't need to be complicated and confusing...
Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:18 AM
14. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how foolish people are.
Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:32 AM
The Wizard (11,774 posts)
19. Wingnut emails
Response to The Wizard (Reply #19)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:20 PM
34. "or you don't deserve the freedom they protect" when it's about "the troops."
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 09:52 PM
Stuart G (33,796 posts)
9. K and R...outstanding post...someone inside admitting....."an alternative Knowldge system..."
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 10:16 PM
10. ditto Regnery and their "Politically Incorrect Guides" ("the hippies wanted a dictatorship!")
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:58 AM
11. I agree completely with everything David Frum said.
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 02:39 AM
eppur_se_muova (34,145 posts)
12. But "cult" is shorter and easier to pronounce. nt
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 06:04 AM
13. It's an alternative to the truth
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:13 AM
Magoo48 (2,918 posts)
15. Did he say, "Pack of lies" ?????
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:29 AM
The Wizard (11,774 posts)
18. Pox and their GOP patrons
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 10:26 AM
20. One day people will realize that FOX has fed them shit all this time
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:56 AM
21. The media is often called the 4th branch of government for a reason
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:30 PM
PassingFair (22,432 posts)
23. "Other ways of knowing."
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:19 PM
24. try Right Wing Propaganda, just like the fascists knew and loved
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 01:29 PM
26. I highly recommend David Frum's blog site Frum Forum.
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 04:34 PM
30. Frum didn't have a problem with Fox when they were catapulting the propaganda for
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 05:53 PM
32. Where's he been?
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the whole GOP and conservative movement in general operates a 24/7/365 "alternative-knowledge-system" and has been for decades.
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #32)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:00 PM
rocktivity (44,268 posts)
38. Frum was an employee of the rightwing think tank American Enterprise Institute
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Last edited Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:58 PM - Edit history (1) who apparently had no problem with his writing this barely a week BEFORE the 2008 election:
(WashingtonPost.com, 10/26/2008)...(T)he McCain campaign has Palin-ized itself to make the most of its last asset...(T)he base has responded..(b)ut there's a downside: The very same campaign strategy that has belatedly mobilized the Republican core has alienated and offended the great national middle, which was the only place where the 2008 election could have been won.
I could pile up the poll numbers here, but frankly, it's too depressing...McCain's awful campaign is having awful consequences down the ballot... But he was "terminated" by AEI just days after this was published about healthcare reform being passed: (FrumForum.com, 3/21/2010) Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s. It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster...A huge part of the blame...attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves...We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat...
I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about...(how)...our overheated talk...has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead...Rush Limbaugh...said that he wanted President Obama to fail...What...is equally true is that he also wants Republicans to fail...If Republicans succeed...Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads... Frum was free to criticize the "alternative-knowledge-system" -- and even in the voice of a moderate conservative -- as long as he wasn't criticizing the REAL system. Spitting in the eyes of McCain and Palin when he was supposed to be glorifying them wasn't grounds for termination; stepping on the toes of Limbaugh and the Rethug leadership was. And he's said that he's going to vote Republican no matter what anyway? I don't trust him any farther than I can throw an elephant. Cue the DU "Cry Me A River" String Quartet! 
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Response to rocktivity (Reply #38)
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 12:38 AM
47. He seems to be trying to have his cake and eat it too.
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He sounds all high minded and principled by being willing to criticize his own party (and he mostly seems to speak "the truth" about it IMHO) and its descent into total Tea Party-induced madness but yet he decides he's going to continue voting for them anyway. Either he's too stupid to notice the contradictions between the two things he's saying or he's simply using it to get attention (I'm guessing the latter).
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Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 07:48 PM
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (83,992 posts)
37. As in alternate reality? nt
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:31 PM
41. At least those who "immerse their audience in a total environment of pseudo-facts and pretend
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information" are not pseudo-hypocrites: nothing is pseudo about their hypocrisy, mendacity, and disingenuousness.
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Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 11:29 AM
50. Why Use Fancy Phrases Like 'alternative knowledge system'? When one succinct word will do...
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 03:18 PM
51. Alternative Reality System is better terminology to utilize!
Response to Duct Tape (Original post)
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 05:43 PM
52. Fancy words coming from the anti "PC" right wing
