Why the Ruling Class is So Upset About Edward Snowden
By Gary Leupp
Source: CounterPunch
Tuesday, July 02, 2013
What sort of state is it, that says to its own people, we can invade a country based on lies, kill a million people, hold nobody accountable but hey, when one of us does something so abominable as to reveal that the state spies constantly on the people of the world, we have to have a manhunt for him and punish him for treason?
The Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, has the audacity to tell NBC News, It is literally gut-wrenching to see Snowdens revelations because of the damage they do to our intelligence capabilities! As though there were really an our or us at this point. As though we were a nation united, including the mindful watchers and the grateful watched.
No, there are us, and there are them. The tiny power elite that controls the mainstream press and cable channels, the corporations that dutifully hand over meta-data to the state (and then deny doing so to allay consumer outrage), the twin political parties, are sick to their stomachs that theyve been so exposed.
We in our turn should feel, if not terrorized, nauseated.
http://www.zcommunications.org/why-the-ruling-class-is-so-upset-about-edward-snowden-by-gary-leupp
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Using myself as the bellweather here, I am beginning to understand. And this is getting interesting.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)And such a great post it is too. Full of truth and nausea, two things we seem to be getting a steady diet of these days.
In answer to your query: ''What sort of state is it?'' -- we're not a state nor a nation in the traditional sense of that term.
We're a national corporate entity specifically created for the efficient removal of the world's wealth and resources from the hands of the many into the hands of the few.
- In short, we are slaves. I know, I know, no chains. But they don't use those anymore unless you're in Guantanamo.......
K&R
Civilization2
(649 posts)sad state of afters,.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)dgauss
(882 posts)Neither answer would surprise me at this point.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)They're called RFID chips (shown here next to a grain of rice)-
They're used to track merchandise via satellite all over the world. They're in all the US passports now (if you have one, the NSA knows where you are). They can also be injected into your dog or cat (children?) via hypodermic needle in the event it gets lost and can't phone home. They wanted to put them in those REAL ID cards (for easier prole-tracking) that the states have fought since they passed the law that everyone is ignoring right now.
- We would be the ''merch'' in this scenario......
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Thanks for posting it.
Wake up...
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)In short, we are slaves. I know, I know, no chains. But they don't use those anymore unless you're in Guantanamo.......
We DO house the largest per-capita population of prisoners in the world, with more than 2 million in the prisons & many more--maybe another 2 million--in local jails.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)I remember them when they were a pup. They now enslave large segments of the disaffected youth (with a preponderance for darker-hued Americans) that TPTB fear so mightily. Unless they're cannon fodder, or they belong to the professional mercenary corps.
- But it's all coming to a head. Soon. And it's about time too.....
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Find Harry Bellafonte installed in the WH, and everyone in Congress is working with him to release all the tens of thousands of kids who have been brutalized by the new slavery.
Dei-O! Dei-O come and I wanna go home.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)If we don't maintain our lawn, we are breaking the law. If we want to buy groceries, we have to own a vehicle.
There are a lot of mandatory activities that come with living in this country. It is difficult to consider us free when so much of our time is spent pleasing the overlords.
Some of us may even be part of the overlord class. City planners, code enforcement, etc.
Regular folks controlling our free time.
Wow, I didn't realize I'd posted that much.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)Thanks for that uplifting film DeSwiss! Just when I thought things were looking up!
kidding ----Thank you, yea I think this surveillance leak rattled some invisible cage we were not supposed to be able to detect... Now it will be hard to put the angry farm animals back in.
So now that we can detect the cage, we have a choice. We can say no-- peacefully yet be unified (this I believe)
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Civilization2
(649 posts)The corporate-security-state has jumped the shark,. . people will not be having this sht!
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)It went into the dystopian governmental psychology that drives this Orwellian demon-machine. It seems to do with technology and control, but on a bizarre, massive level.
I now cannot find it. Does anyone have the link?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)The Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper admitted he lied to the peoples Representatives with the excuse I didn't understand the question I don't know what I was thinking. He is a traitor to the people and rumor has it one of his concubines is a dancer.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)90-percent
(6,828 posts)Senator Ron Wyden sent Clapper his questions ONE DAY IN ADVANCE. Most of us that testify before Congress would welcome any help in doing prep work for your SWORN TESTIMONY.
"I didn't understand the question" is about as disingenuous as it gets!
WHY IS CLAPPER NOT BEING PROSECUTED FOR PERJURY RIGHT THIS MINUTE?
-90% Jimmy
PS - I'm ASSUMING Clapper's testimony was sworn. I do not know that for sure.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)perjurer n. a person who intentionally lies while under an oath administered by a notary public, court clerk or other official, and thus commits the crime of perjury. A perjurer may commit perjury in oral testimony or by signing or acknowledging a written legal document (such as an affidavit, declaration under penalty of perjury, deed, license application, tax return) knowing the document contains false information.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)He was giving a report to congress. It is illegal to lie to them in a hearing or in a required report. Few are prosecuted for it, and I think the congress itself does the prosecution.
EC
(12,287 posts)I don't see the answer?
FirstLight
(13,357 posts)and truly nauseating, indeed
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and the darkness it hides, which they define, personify, and exemplify, and not the pursuit and promotion of a fair and just world we little people want.
It shows how exceptionally good they are at one thing only -- keeping us down and controlled, and holding onto their power in the process.
Making Snowden the issue isn't just "damage control", it's a recruitment tool the darkside has always employed and deployed on the unsuspecting public that takes a baby step towards or over and into the darkside. Much as the non-UN sanctioned war and occupation in Afghanistan made the lurch into Iraq practically inevitable, the acquiescience of those carrying water for the 1% now with the focus on Snowden will be exploited most energetically going forward.
And given the lack of any accountability for that war crime, where's the deterrent for more abuses of something intangible like "privacy" going forward?
It's all about giving (or trying to) we the victims as a matter of "popular opinion", partial or total ownership of the guilt, kinda like a rape victim. We'd sure hate to see our politicfal heroes have the complete ownership of the raping, like a collection of wayward high school football players, no?
Nausea has been one of the least of things I've felt watching this Snowden "debate" unfold here. The so-called lefty/liberal sheeple here are little more at best, than unwitting, willing, and just as indispensible tools for the 1% as the rightwingnuts have long been. That it is largely confined to this issue doesn't alter that, but it does make this particular rape case a bi-partisan affair.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)"there's a huge difference between strongly suspecting that your husband is fucking around and being shown pictures of him balling the babysitter. There's vast gulf between "knowing" and knowledge. The intelligence services have been forced to say, "Okay, yeah, you caught us." The twist is that they're adding, "And, oh, by the way, we're gonna keep boning the babysitter. Just try to stop us from fucking her." "
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)seems like he wouldn't be hard to find at the Moscow airport for a week.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)4 million with security clearances. That is about 3% of Americans employed full time. That is very much an U versus Them thing. And nearly a million have top secret clearance.
How much is the budget? We are not allowed to know, but it surely isn't "tiny". It is probably something approaching a half trillion dollars a year in the Security Industrial Complex.
When that many dollars are involved, the number one priority is not to protect Americans, but to protect those dollars.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,713 posts)We are better armed than ever before. We communicate on a grassroots level, quicker and more efficiently than ever before. We are using the monsters they created.
All it will take is a spark. What will it be?
A tree? Bus fares too high? An uncaring, lying government?
They are scared of the spark. No one knows what it'll be. But it will happen.
Maybe not today or tomorrow, next month or next year. But it will happen here.
He let the secrets out. Nothing that we didn't think about or thought we knew.
He just validated those thoughts. .
warrant46
(2,205 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That's not Snowden's thing. He is a cyber-revolutionary. I'm not at all saying that I think that is a good thing or a bad thing. I'm just saying how I see this situation realistically.
While I am happy that Snowden has let us know that our electronic communications are not at all private and that we have no right or means to know whether we are among the surveilled or not, I don't know enough about the cyber-revolution, the cyber-war in which he seems to have taken a command for himself to know what it means for the rest of us non-computer-geeks.
I have no idea how computers work other than that I can turn one on and enter stuff and stuff comes out. I don't understand the internet well enough to post successfully on any website other than DU, but I do send e-mails and do Google searches.
Seriously. I have joined other websites, but I can never seem to get back on if I don't go back for a while. I haven't learned to text yet. So you can see. I am not a soldier in the cyber-wars. Not even a likely enlistee.
But I do now understand what General MacArthur said to Theodore White two days after Hiroshima.
"White, he said, White, do you know what this (the atomic bomb on Hiroshima) means?" "What sir?" I (Theodore White) asked. It meant, he said, that all wars were over; wars were no longer matters of valor or judgment, but lay in the hands of scholars and scientists. "Men like me are obsolete," he said, pacing back and forth. "There will be no more wars, White, no more wars."
Theodore White, In Search of History, A Personal Adventure (Warner Books 1978) page 224
Snowden was born in 1983. Although it was already an inevitable reality, Congress argued about opening up our markets to international free trade on a pretty unlimited basis in 1985 (maybe earlier, but 1985 is when I learned about it). Snowden's generation of Americans does not have the same concept of "nation" that his parents and ours did.
Snowden believes in a cyber-world in which everybody puts in their two cents, and the best ideas win. Information is conveyed on line. People shop online, get medical advice online, socialize online, see the world online. The people even vote (recommend, like) online.
Snowden does not believe in nation-states. He buys a computer made in China out of parts made from about five other countries. His pants are made in Sri Lanka. His shirt in El Salvador. (Not really. Just examples.) His tomatoes come from Mexico, his grapes from Chile, his wine from France. He joined the US military and was sent on a cyber-mission, to spy on people around the world of all nationalities, colors, races, including the US.
And now he has taken an open field in the cyber-war. The cyber-war that puzzles the world's governments but is only understood by the computer geeks themselves. We, including our "leaders" are the peasants. Our cyber-fields will be left in ruins by this. Just wait and see. We will be much more cautious in our electronic communications once we begin to comprehend what this means.
And now Feinstein says to him: you took an oath.
Well, Feinstein took an oath too: to uphold the Constitution. But she and the rest of Congress and the Supreme Court construe the Constitution according to their interests - liberally when it comes to the powers of government, when it comes to approving secretive laws and secret cabals within the executive branch and to giving big chunks of tax money to private contractors and military junk production companies.
But when it comes to the First, Second, Fourth and maybe the Fifth and 14th Amendments (at the very least), the Executive, the Congress and worst of all, the Supreme Court believe in free authority for government and restrained rights for people.
That interpretation of the Constitution does not work well in a world of international trade and international electronic communications. Our trade agreements conflict with the concept of local, democratic government. That does not bother members of Congress like Feinstein, Pelosi and Shumer because they know how to profit from those agreements.
But the internet and electronic communications open up the world to ordinary people who clamor for international rights and international freedom. And that scares the same people who have foisted international trade on us in exchange for what used to be our jobs.
Snowden is not revolting against the US. He is beyond that. He is revolting against the constraints of traditional nation-states. He wants freedom for the internet.
He seems to have chosen to be a soldier in the government of scholars and scientists that MacArthur predicted would fight future wars. So here we are. The cyber-war is on.
I sit here, approaching my dotage. I am still part of the library generation, except that more and more, I realize that my generation would better be called the library-book-sale generation. Because that is where I am finding all these precious old books written by people who were not trying to squeeze communication into three one-syllable words expressed in symbols and smiley faces.
I look at what Snowden is doing and I am as baffled as Obama sounds, as Putin looks. I hear the skies are full of planes roaring from the capitols of countries on the out list among American diplomats. What a strange war we are in.
Personally, I'm on the side of the books -- the old books I find in used book shops and library sales -- the casualties, the orphans of this cyber-war. Unless I announce it on the internet, only I know whether I am reading Voltaire or Locke or Goethe or Haiku or Theodore White. That's privacy.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Can you write, or whut?
Warpy
(111,222 posts)by confirming everything we sort of knew all along. That's why he and Assange are so dangerous. Bureaucrats hate to be exposed and embarrassed. It quite puts them off their feed and ups their bar bills.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)there will be a problem when another one of the legs of the four-legged stole fails. An economic correction would be my prediction but it might be something more simpler such as an injustice. They are now the king with no clothes now and we know what happens in that story
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)--to China. Inclucing the only factory that makes magnetic JDAM triggers. And they freak out at trivia like China knowing about our hacking.