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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:01 AM Nov 2013

Drones from the Other Side War Is A Crime .org

Imagine you awake to the sound of a machine noisily buzzing over your house, and another machine nearby in the sky, and another. These machines and others like them have been around for months. They never leave. While you live in the United States, the machines belong to the government of Pakistan. The machines are unmanned drones armed with missiles. Every once in a while they blow up a house or a car or a couple of kids playing soccer or a grandmother walking to the store, sometimes a McDonald's or a shopping center.

Imagine that you've learned to live with this. The popularity of homeschooling has skyrocketed, as nobody wants to send their kids outside. Telecommuting is now the norm for those able to maintain employment. But there's no getting used to the change. Your kids wake up screaming and refuse to sleep. Your rage makes you physically ill. Antidepressants are on everybody's shopping lists, bu t shopping is a life-and-death proposition. Canada is facing an immigration crisis. So is Mexico.

Now, Pakistan claims to be targeting evil criminals with surgical precision. And some in the U.S. government go along with this. But others object. The U.S. Supreme Court declares the drone deaths to be murder or war -- murder being illegal under U.S. law, and war being illegal under the U.N. Charter via Article VI of the U.S. Constitution.

The U.S. Congress insists that criminals must be indicted and prosecuted, that negotiations with hostile groups cannot succeed while drones tear the negotiators limb from limb, and that Pakistan has no right to put its robots in our skies no matter what its good intentions. Statements agreeing with this opposition to the drones are signed by everybody who's anybody. Popular demonstrations against the drones, and -- bravely -- in the face of the drones, dwarf anything seen before. In fact, the world joins in, and people protest Pakistan's murder spree all over the globe. Human rights groups in various countries denounce it as criminal. The Pakistani prime minister reportedly checks off men, women, and children to kill on a list at regular Tuesday meetings. He's burned in effigy across the United States.

But Pakistani human rights groups take a different tack. In their view, some of the drone murders in the United States are illegal and some are not. It depends on the knowledge and intentions of the Pakistani officials -- did they know those kids were just playing soccer or did they believe their soccer ball was an imminent threat to the nation of Pakistan? Was blowing up those kids necessary, discrete, and proportionate? Were they militants or civilians? Was blowing them up part of an armed conflict or an act of law enforcement, and what type of armed conflict or what law was being enforced? Paki stan, these groups argue, must not blow people up without identifying them, without verifying that they cannot be captured, and without taking care not to kill too many civilians in the process. Further, Pakistan must reveal the details of its legal reasoning and decision making, so that the process has transparency. Indeed, Pakistan must begin running its proposed drone killings by a judge who must sign off on them -- a Pakistani judge, but a judge nonetheless.

The Pakistani human rights groups are not made up of evil people. They very much mean well. They want to reduce the number of Americans killed by drones. And they are not permitted to declare all drone killing illegal, because these killings might be part of a war, and these groups have adopted as a matter of strict principle the position that wars must never be opposed, only tactics within wars. They believe this makes them "objective" and "credible," and it certainly does do that with certain people. These Pakistani human rights groups are not pulling the trigger, they're trying to stop it being pulled as often. Lumping them together with the Pakistani military would be Bushian (with us or against us) thinking. But it's harder to see that from under the drones here in the United States with the kids wailing and Uncle Joe's brains still staining the side of the Pizza Hut, than it would be perhaps in Pakistan or at the United Nations Headquarters in Islamabad.

From here in the United States, the cries are for justice. Many want the prime minister of Pakistan prosecuted for murder. Many are beginning to view the absence of such legal justice as grounds for violence. I'm growing worried over what my neighbors and even myself might unleash on the rest of the world. I'm beginning to fall in love with the feeling of hatred....


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Drones from the Other Side War Is A Crime .org (Original Post) Demeter Nov 2013 OP
Thank you for this. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #1
Too many can not put themselves in the shoes of others. RC Nov 2013 #2
Links are appreciated, so - here it is - http://warisacrime.org/content/drones-other-side ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #3
Thank you. RC Nov 2013 #4
Thanks...I didn't have time to look Demeter Nov 2013 #5

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Thank you for this.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:14 AM
Nov 2013

Even though I like to think of myself as having compassion and an ability to see things from the perspectives of others, I found this view "through the looking glass" to be emotionally powerful and effective.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. Too many can not put themselves in the shoes of others.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:37 AM
Nov 2013

It never occurs to them that someone in a remote, dusty village 50 miles from nowhere, is no threat to the worlds only remaining super power. They only know what they are told. They seldom question even the highly questionable. How a "leader" we designate and a few supporters, being labeled as "terrorists" in a remote 3rd world location, is a threat to the worlds largest, very sophisticated military.
The OP is an good word picture of what it would be like to have the tables turned. To have us, just random people, as arbitrary targets of some other country, in the name of fighting terrorism.

Just who are the real terrorists anyway? A grandmother tending to her dead son's or daughter's kids? Or a corrupt government being run by profit seeking, war mongers?


Edited to add: I suspect this OP will sink like a rock because it strikes too close to home. DU has too many DLC, 3rd Way and other Right of Center denizens that go along with our "War on Terror". The really do believe the hype and think it is keeping our country safe.

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