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Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 03:24 PM Nov 2013

After Kristallnacht: An Infamous Press Conference ‘Justifies’ Terror, 1938

The night of November 9-10, 1938, that came to be known as Kristallnacht (“Night of Broken Glass”) remains one of the most shocking eruptions of violence, outside of wartime, that modern Europe has ever seen. In the course of several hours, as German paramilitary thugs and more than a few non-Jewish citizens rampaged through cities in Germany and Austria, destroying Jewish-owned stores, torching centuries-old synagogues and killing scores of innocents, the world was given its most graphic glimpse yet of the true, depraved nature of Hitler’s Reich.

State-sanctioned persecution of the Jews in Germany — already intense by the mid-1930s — was, with Kristallnacht, no longer merely legislative. The violence implicit in the 1935 Nuremberg Laws, for example, that had stripped Jews of German citizenship was now an explicit tool in a war against Jews, homosexuals, Slavs, pacifist Catholics and other “non-Aryans” and convenient scapegoats. With arson, vandalism and open murder the green-lit expressions of brutality in Hitler’s Germany, both World War II and the escalation of the Final Solution were inevitable.

The very next day, in fact, on November 11, 1938, both Hitler and his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, appeared at a press conference for foreign correspondents in Munich — an event chronicled, in color, by Hitler’s personal photographer, Hugo Jaeger. There, displaying a cynicism extraordinary even for a high-ranking Nazi, Goebbels characterized the Kristallnacht pogrom as an understandable, “spontaneous” eruption of Teutonic anger against Jews:

It is an intolerable state of affairs [Goebbels told members of the press] that within our borders and for all these years hundreds of thousands of Jews still control whole streets of shops, populate our recreation spots and, as foreign apartment owners, pocket the money of German tenants, while their racial comrades abroad agitate for war against Germany and gun down German officials.


more: http://life.time.com/history/kristallnacht-photos-from-a-1938-goebbels-press-conference-justifying-terror/?iid=lf%7Clatest#1
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After Kristallnacht: An Infamous Press Conference ‘Justifies’ Terror, 1938 (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 OP
the ironic parallels are too many to count yurbud Nov 2013 #1
The other side of the story goes like this. BillyRibs Nov 2013 #2
So, it was the Jews who were responsible for Kristallnacht? Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #3
No That is Not What I wrote. BillyRibs Nov 2013 #4
I read what you wrote. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #5
And you point is? BillyRibs Nov 2013 #6
No, the real question...what is YOUR point? Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #7
Historical Perspective. I am Pointing a finger at all the Guility. BillyRibs Nov 2013 #8
Hmmm, really? Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #9
Bull The Guilty were those in the Nazi Regime. cali Nov 2013 #13
You need to be banned. You're blaming Kristallnacht on the Jews cali Nov 2013 #10
NO I"M NOT! BillyRibs Nov 2013 #11
the bankers. Name names. cali Nov 2013 #12
WZO ... World Zionist Organization????? How about a few quotes from the Parables of the Elders of Z hedda_foil Nov 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author hedda_foil Nov 2013 #23
Your other side of the story" is ugly rightwing propaganda. No "World Zionist Organization" struggle4progress Nov 2013 #19
You have to be fucking kidding me. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #20
Thanks to Skinner for banning the Holocaust denier cali Nov 2013 #14
Thanks to you for bringing it to his attention. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #16
You're welcome. Sorry to say that that I've seen quite a few Holocaust deniers here cali Nov 2013 #17
I have seen a few who questioned aspects of it, but nothing like this! Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #18
So I guess I didn't need to send that alert after all. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #21
Kick & recommended for the OP and the NUKE. William769 Nov 2013 #15
 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
2. The other side of the story goes like this.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 06:06 AM
Nov 2013

It was only after the world Zionist Organization declared their world wide trade embargo of German Made goods, and a German diplomat, Ernst Eduard vom Rath was assassinated in Paris in 1938 by a Jewish youth, Herschel Grynszpan, which provided the rage for Kristallnacht, The Night of Broken Glass. This brought back to all German Memory the Stab in the Back Hitler Complained about so Bitterly, and so often. as to why the Germans lost WW1. "The Balfoure Declaration" (Google it) It was the Plan to Bring the US into the War on the side of England and France. and it Publicizing was a bane to all German born Jewish People. When Kristallnacht Happened Goebbles was in Negotiations with the world Zionist Organization to end the trade embargo and Moved quickly to quash the spontaneous violent outbreak, This was in hopes it would not derail the negotiations. Was Hitler a Bastard? hell Yeah! that goes without saying, but did the Zionist sacrifice German Jews in exchange for the land of Palestine after the war? You bet your ass they did. This had been the Goal of the World Zionist Organization.
And the uninformed Germans? they were Played like a well tuned Fiddle, By the Bankers, war mongers, The More Radical (if you can say that) of the Party, the WZO and the 1% of their day.

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
3. So, it was the Jews who were responsible for Kristallnacht?
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 06:38 AM
Nov 2013

The Germans, especially Goebbles, were just victims by a "World Zionist Organization" plot? This has to be the best revisionist history I have seen written here.

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
5. I read what you wrote.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 06:54 AM
Nov 2013

Explain it.

but did the Zionist sacrifice German Jews in exchange for the land of Palestine after the war? You bet your ass they did. This had been the Goal of the World Zionist Organization.
 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
6. And you point is?
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:09 AM
Nov 2013

What you keep failing to read is My only editorial of the post. The rest of the post is factual and not up for dispute. My editorial is the last lines. Not all Jewish were Zionist. But Zionist seemed unconcerned about German Juwish population except when it suited them. Oh say like the Transfer agreement.

And the uninformed Germans? they were Played like a well tuned Fiddle, By the Bankers, war mongers, The More Radical (if you can say that) of the Party, the WZO and the 1% of their day.

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
7. No, the real question...what is YOUR point?
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:11 AM
Nov 2013

Kristallnacht scarred Jews all across Germany and surrounding areas. So, what was your point of "the other side" is?

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
8. Historical Perspective. I am Pointing a finger at all the Guility.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:17 AM
Nov 2013

A lot of people share in the Guilt. Some more than others But none of the guilty should go unrecognized.

BTW I also finished the Post.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. Bull The Guilty were those in the Nazi Regime.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:46 AM
Nov 2013

Period. The historical record supports that- including what we KNOW Goebbels said and did. Trying to transfer blame to Jews and Zionists and "International Bankers" (cute code, that), is nothing but holocaust revisionism as any student of the era knows.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. You need to be banned. You're blaming Kristallnacht on the Jews
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:20 AM
Nov 2013

Ugly, insane and just historically wrong.

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
11. NO I"M NOT!
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:27 AM
Nov 2013

I blame it on Powers that had greed and Hate on their Agenda! The WZO wanted LAND, The Nazis hated, The Bankers were looking for their Payday, the wealthy wanted to sell guns and arms, The German people were Played, Jesus Someone comes up with a historical view contrary to the Traditional and you all shout Hater! What I am saying is that all blame does not rest upon one head! their is much to go around. The Lesson to be learned even in our day. is don't keep looking for a "Hitler", look at all the Crap happening in the back ground, at the same time Things like finance and back room deal making. Because if you fail to do this It will all happen over and over again.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. the bankers. Name names.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 08:41 AM
Nov 2013

sorry, but this is classic stuff that you're posting. Hardly new. Hardly something you came up with. It's part and parcel of the whole "Jews caused the Holocaust". Sometimes, nowadays, that's modified with the substitution of "Zionists" for Jews, or "Bankers". And btw, the murder of von Rath was a handy excuse, not a real cause-

Everything you are parroting is part of classic Holocaust denial as has been documented. Here you go. You're welcome.

'International Jewry' caused the Kristallnacht pogrom

Holocaust Deniers Say:

'International Jewry' funded Herschel Grynszpan's assassination of Ernst vom Rath and then used vom Rath's death as an excuse to start the Kristallnacht pogrom. They did so for the purpose of embarrassing the German government and to get international sympathy to open the doors for Jewish immigration, especially to Palestine.
Who the Holocaust deniers say who was behind the pogrom

Ingrid Weckert, a German Holocaust denier, plays down or denies the crimes of the Third Reich. She is best known for her manipulation of the historical record on Kristallnacht. Her book, Flashpoint: Kristallnacht 1938: Instigators, Victims and Beneficiaries 1 is full of crude and offensive antisemitic remarks and praise for Hitler's Third Reich.

Weckert absolved all the leading Nazis of any blame for the pogrom and suggested that it was master-minded by "World Jewry" in the hope that such violence would reflect badly on the blameless Nazi regime and cause it to fall. Weckert writes: "Ultimately it was not the Jews but the Germans who suffered most as a result of this event." In fact, the name of her article on Kristallnacht is called "'Crystal Night' 1938: The Great Anti-German Spectacle."2

David Irving, whom the High Court in London declared to be a Holocaust denier, racist and antisemite, seconded Weckert's assertion that the assassination of vom Rath was a Jewish conspiracy. In his book Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich (1996), Irving suggested that there was "some frail evidence that LICA, the Paris-based International League against Anti-Semitism" had a hand in the assassination. However, he provided no evidence for this insinuation.3
In Hitler's War (1991) Irving explained: "Revisionist historians now argue that the Nazis had fallen into a Zionist trap. The Haganah officials . . . had hinted that it would serve their interests if things were made hot for Germany's Jews to accelerate Jewish emigration to Palestine. It deserves comment that Grynszpan, although a destitute youth, was able to reside in a hotel in 1938 and purchase a handgun for 250 francs, and that his defense counsel Moro Giafferi was the best that the money of the International League against Anti-Semitism ('LICA') could buy; LICA's Paris office was around the corner from Grynszpan's hotel."4 Irving failed to offer any evidence for this theory. There is, in fact, no evidence for this theory.

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http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/kristal3.html

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/kristallnacht_1938.htm

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Kristallnacht/Grynszpan.html

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Jews&oq=Jews&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j0j0i5l2j43i53.1988.2724.0.4404.4.4.0.0.0.0.207.695.1j1j2.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.xLkEtrWBZoo#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=jews+caused+the+holocaust

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Jews&oq=Jews&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j0j0i5l2j43i53.1988.2724.0.4404.4.4.0.0.0.0.207.695.1j1j2.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.xLkEtrWBZoo#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=Jewish+Bankers+caused+holocaust

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Jews&oq=Jews&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j0j0i5l2j43i53.1988.2724.0.4404.4.4.0.0.0.0.207.695.1j1j2.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.xLkEtrWBZoo#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=Zionists+caused+holocaust



hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
22. WZO ... World Zionist Organization????? How about a few quotes from the Parables of the Elders of Z
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:34 AM
Nov 2013

Whoever you are, and whatever you think you're doing, this is pure antisemitism .. nothing more and surely nothing less.

Anybody have a can of Trollbegone around?

Response to BillyRibs (Reply #6)

struggle4progress

(118,032 posts)
19. Your other side of the story" is ugly rightwing propaganda. No "World Zionist Organization"
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 07:15 PM
Nov 2013

"The other side of the story" is ugly rightwing propaganda. No "World Zionist Organization" was responsible for Kristallnacht. No WZO planned Kristallnacht in order to "sacrifice German Jews in exchange for the land of Palestine." No WZO played uninformed Germans "like a well tuned fiddle." This is way over the top. It's more than disgusting: it's neo-Nazi bilge

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
16. Thanks to you for bringing it to his attention.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:08 PM
Nov 2013

In all the years I have been on DU, I have only ever seen one other Holocaust denier/revisionist, Wizard777. While there are certainly more anti-Semites lurking about, this was a special level of hate.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. You're welcome. Sorry to say that that I've seen quite a few Holocaust deniers here
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:19 PM
Nov 2013

they don't last long though and Skinner is great at responding quickly and decisively.

A few years ago there was a real burst of anti-semitism here. Skinner did a great job at cleaning them out.

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
18. I have seen a few who questioned aspects of it, but nothing like this!
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
Nov 2013

Hopefully will clear out a few more currently lurking in the shadows, some don't even bother with the shadows though.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. So I guess I didn't need to send that alert after all.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:57 AM
Nov 2013

Man, a day late and a dollar short, that's me. Always the last to know.

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